pinto/DOHC/Zetec/Duratec, T9/MT75

[GTwice]

First of all: Hi guys!

I'm slowly planning my roadster build and came across hard decision - what to put under the bonnet?
I'd like to build the car as much as in the book as possible - to make things easy an reasonably cheap, then, after a while put some decent 2.0 zetec, duratec or maybe opel (for you: vauxhall :P) X20. But: older sierras (the ones with pinto&type9 box) are getting pretty rare around here (i live in poland). Since putting MT75 is pretty well documented on this forum, I don't mind it (and there must be something better about it if ford replaced type9 with it). But what about engine? I know the DOHC is heavier, less tuneable, but I don't mind much too. But how about fitting it? Body&exhaust isn't really the problem, redesigning the chassis is what I'm afraid of - can it be fit in the same place as pinto, only with different engine mounts?

Another thing is - how hard could be swapping SOHC/DOHC for Zetec/Duratec? Can the gearbox stay in place, fitting only different bellhousing? I really don't like the idea of cutting half of the car after it's been finished

[mr henderson]

I understand that the Duratec engine has a different bolt pattern to the other engines, so you would need to budget for a special bellhousing or make some kind of adaptor.

If cost is a consideration then I would ssuggest starting off with whatever comes with the donor, then swapping for a Zetec when one comes along at the right price.

I don't know what the regulations in Poland are regarding emissions etc, in the UK if the Zetec is older than 95 (August I think) then it can be run on carburettors as long as some kind of ignition ecu is fitted (no distributor on the Zetec)

Welcome to the forum

[les g]

hi axle (on here ) has put the dohc motor in and he says it been murder
we,ve put in a zetec and so far its very easy
cheers les g

dont forget if you put a pinto in when you come to change it to a zetec all the bits will be on the wrong side and things like exhaust wont be reusable another expense etc etc
senders for clocks will be wrong etc etc

[snapper]

Duratec bellhousings to Type 9 are available from Rally Design but cost close to £300, you could have an adaptor plate made up but would have to move the clutch release bearing face closer by the same distance as the thickness of the adaptor.

If you were planning a change of engine from left hand induction to right hand then the pedal box needs to be in the footwell and the steering column needs to be routed to avoid inlets, breathers etc.

[davidimurray]

I'm just about to put a 1.8 Pinto in mine until the man from the ministry has had his way.

Then I plan to put a Vauxhall C20XE engine in, complete with bike throttles and a megasquirt. You can match the type 9 to an XE with an adaptor bellhousing from SBD - http://www.sbdev.co.uk/Gearbox/Bellhouses/Bellhouses.htm

And I think there are a few tweaks required to the clutch, combining a ford drive plate and so on to get everything to match up. As far as I can see this engine seems to provide the best 'bang per buck' of the popular engines out there.

[les g]

you are right the C20XE is an awesome motor and can be tned to silly amonts of power
its also easy to turbo as vauxhall have already done it for you ..........
they done a 4x4 turbo cavaliar and it went very well
a lad in our work had one tuned up and it was very quick indeed
cheers les g

[davidimurray]

Once the car is complete - I reckon the C20XE conversion will cost about £600 - that's an engine, ECU, bike throttle bodies and gearbox mating bits. It sounds expensive, but when you consider that you will get 150bhp standard, and 200bhp ain't far away.

I could do it now, but figured it would be much more cost effective to get going with the Pinto. My build is going far quicker than I expected so I need to balance the budget!!!

[alga]

Suppose I want to go for a Zetec-E with twin Weber DCOE carbs. Where do I get the manifold? Does it have to be custom fabricated, or are there any aftermarket or standard ones?

[davidimurray]

How about -

http://www.rallydesign.co.uk/product_info.php?products_id=10653

[Adam R.]

I don`t understand why people in UK still use type-9 + duratec.
extra money for type-9 rebuild, bellhousing, hydraulic release bearing, expensiv flywheel + disk etc. easer and heaper is using mx-5 transmision 5 or 6 speed.
We can buy mx5 transmision + stock flywheel + mx5 cluth kit for about 300£

[axle]

Hi Guys
Anyone needing advise to fit DOHC I shall be glad to help, as Les said I had a nightmare with it but it is all sorted, it would be better then pinto and i heard better than Zetec, but I could be wrong about the Zetec.

[gundog]

hello axle
ive got the oppotunity to get a rs 2000, does the engine height cause any probs with the bonnet .i want my car to eventually look like the original bodywork-wise.


andy

[deezee]

I don't have an bonnet yet, but looking at my engine, the bonnet is going to need a power bulge in it. Once I've got some cash (and fabby has finished trying to break his body) I'm going to get my nosecone and scuttle.

If anyone has any info about how much space they have between thier bonnet and top chassis rails, I could compare that to how much my engine sticks beyond the chassis rail.

[Hoybi]

The RS2000 engine is as far as I know the "OHC", also referred as the "Pinto".
This particular engine has number 205 in the block casting under the exhaust. It is the same engine as in the Book. (presumably Chris has a 185 block but it's only details and the cylinder capacity 1,8 liter against 2 liter that are different)

I am using this 205 block and made the engine supports as in the Book. And I've bought Fabby's nose and scuttle.

Watch this space, I'll take a picture showing what you want to see.
It will be hard to avoid a power bulge. The camshaft pully and the oil filler neck are just too high. You could mount the air filter away from the carburettor or have it sticking out of the bonnet.

[deezee]

The RS2000 in discussion here is the 16v DOHC model from the Ford escort MK5/6. Not the one from the MK2.

[Hoybi]

Sorry, can't help you there.
I'll post the picture anyway, may be useful to someone.

[axle]

Hi

It depends if you are keeping the EFI or not. if yes you will have to cut the bonnet or make bulge!!!

[RAYLEE29]

OR, You could do this :-
Ray:)

[axle]

Hi
Anymore picture? that looks great, is this your car? I have seen a few shortened manifold like that but have had a few firm opion that the system is so sensitive that would not work with this modification. It would be great to hear from someone who has already tried it!

[RAYLEE29]

Hi, no its not mine i got the pic from lcb a while back when i was considering using the dohc ive now decided to use one of the three pintos i have as its gonna be so much easier especially as i dont have access to ally welding equipement anymore. still have complete engine, mt75, prop and engine loom with ecu if anyones interested.
do a search on lcb for dohc plenum or something like that thats how i found piccy I was quite impressed with it myself
Ray:)

[axle]

Cheers Ray will do!!

[RAYLEE29]

the guys name whos picture it is is,scotty g
Ray:)

[axle]

Hi
I am being a bit slow, how do you do the search on a topic on LCB, I could only see the search for members list?

[RAYLEE29]

Hi, under the big banner at the top theres a line that looks like this

U2U | Member List | Search | Photo Archive | Chat | Links

click search and a window will pop up, in the search for box type (dohc plenum) then click search wait a while and a small list should appear you want the one at the bottom that says dohc plenum mod click that and scroll down the page and theres a huge pic the same as the one i posted
hope this helps
you could pm scotty g im sure he will be helpfull about this mod
Ray:)
ps you dont have to pay if you dont want to, I havent but i am skint lol

[snapper]

The Type 9 is generaly used because it is small and light compared to the others but mainly because you can get any gear ratio set you can think of and the bell housing can be swapped unlike the MT75 which has the bellhousing built in to the body of the box.
The T5 as seen in the Cosworth is very strong and has the best standard ratios available but comes second hand for about £300 and is bigger

[gundog]

axle, do you have any photos of your engine in situ that you could post?
im trying to gather as much info as possible.

andy:)

[axle]

Hi Andy
Sorry for the delay, I am afraid it looks like i do not have the sofware to send you the images, if you send me an e-mail i shall be able to do it and it would be good if you can post them on the fourm so the other members could see them!

Cheers