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fabrun
15th December 2009, 07:28 PM
hello everyone
i'm a french cad user
just bought the book and decided to draw the car in 3d
i've started the chassis in solidworks

link to final files: http://locostcadfiles.wikispaces.com/Car+Models

Bonzo
15th December 2009, 07:42 PM
Hi fabrun

welcome to the forum :)

That is a nice bit of cad work :cool:

I admire folk who have the savy to use cad software .......I have plenty available but it confuses the hell out me :confused: :o

Well done

londonsean69
15th December 2009, 08:26 PM
It's missing the engine bay brace;) :rolleyes:

Seriously, nice bit of CAD work. I only really do 2D. Have used Inventor a few time, very powerful.

Never used Solidworks

AshG
15th December 2009, 08:46 PM
its pants that is. you got the steering wheel on the wrong side :D

would you be willing to share the solid works files on the forum as i would quite like them to play with.

cheers

Ash

londonsean69
15th December 2009, 09:01 PM
Nope the brace is in there that I can see?


I missed it because it is on the wrong side:D

fabrun
16th December 2009, 03:55 AM
thanks for all

Is solid works the one that allows you to set the materials and then you can do strain/stress/shear tests etc?


yes solidworks can do this but never try it before

as i live in france, it's left hand drive

i'll finish it and i will share, no problem

3d cad is not very difficult (because solidworks is very powerful and have nearly no limit), what impress me it's that all of you do in your real life with a real construction

fabrice

Superloom
16th December 2009, 12:05 PM
Fabrice,
Nice bit of work, i have also done most of my car in Solidworks, its an excellent program...
In regards to the stress stuff, pretty much all software does it but its an Addon that you need to pay for.. So personally never seen it on solidworks....
Nice Job
Ed

twinturbo
16th December 2009, 12:15 PM
Last time I got realy serious with CAD was 14 years ago with Autocad on HP Apollo workstations.. :)

TT

fabrun
16th December 2009, 12:42 PM
hi
cosmosworks (fea analysis in solidworks) is included in the premium pack( mine) but i've never use it. maybe one day

fabrun
16th December 2009, 05:28 PM
i must admit that building this car in real would be fantastic
i made a quick search and no sierra available but i can find a bmw
with the help of some friend, maybe i can succeed

does someone still put, with success, bmw part (engine, diff,etc..) in this chassis ?

HandyAndy
16th December 2009, 05:35 PM
hi,
yes there are a few builders using the bmw mechanicals, not too sure which members but they,ll probably be on line soon no doubt to say hi.

nice drawings :cool:

cheers
andy

Bonzo
16th December 2009, 06:30 PM
There was a drawing that Chris Gibbs posted that should give you some idea as to how you might be able to use the BMW front hubs ;)

Post 2 in this thread

http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=570&highlight=bmw+hubs

Have a read, it may be of some help :) :)

alga
17th December 2009, 02:43 PM
Oooh, shiny! Could you post your model someplace in OBJ format perchance?

fabrun
17th December 2009, 03:47 PM
no problem
i want to finish it before (soon)

fabrun
18th December 2009, 04:21 AM
little update

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5109/3237f0c8a53ced61615a700606c3190f.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis3,3237f0c8a53ced61615a700606c3190f.jpg.html )

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5109/e987781f3bcea82cf9e2f16439380ee4.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis3b,e987781f3bcea82cf9e2f16439380ee4.jpg.htm l)

fabrun
19th December 2009, 12:22 PM
one more update

does someone has dimension for the nosecone please ?


http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5109/c0ee77e075bc457c71fe72f2e4fc5a5d.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis4a,c0ee77e075bc457c71fe72f2e4fc5a5d.jpg.htm l)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5109/4d703a712a1e0cbfffe4097dfe6c905a.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis4b,4d703a712a1e0cbfffe4097dfe6c905a.jpg.htm l)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5109/8ca253b2517bd1bd9c92039f2ede7c83.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis4c,8ca253b2517bd1bd9c92039f2ede7c83.jpg.htm l)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5109/7aa44c9e6a04235bbcb70c2f932dc164.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis4d,7aa44c9e6a04235bbcb70c2f932dc164.jpg.htm l)

Beardy_John
19th December 2009, 10:12 PM
Fabrun, nice work. I've drawn the chassis up a few times in a couple of different ways, but never had the time to finish any of them!
I've used Simulation (was COSMOS) loads as I have to use it at work. The main problem I have is knowing what to put into the FEA and then working out what its telling you. All you can really do is put in a known load and compare different designs for stiffness/strength.
I'd love to known how you got your springs to look so good. I hate drawing springs! :):)

dogwood
20th December 2009, 09:44 AM
Hi Fabrun.

All looks very clever to me....I just dont do compootuz:rolleyes:

Did however notice an error..:eek:
Chassis plate CP7 on the right hand side,by the roll bar,
It's the wrong way around. I'm not trying to be a smart arse, Just thought I would mention it

David

fabrun
20th December 2009, 10:24 AM
cp6 et cp7
bien vu
je corrige

fabrun
20th December 2009, 11:58 AM
how much just for this dimension ?
same as sierra hub (how much?)
thanks596

fabrun
20th December 2009, 05:32 PM
modified
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/5109/df608d77dad9bd9212c27ea917e253b5.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis4,df608d77dad9bd9212c27ea917e253b5.jpg.html )

alga
22nd December 2009, 12:55 AM
The upright measures 154-155 mm along the kingpin axis. See http://fridge.pov.lt/~alga/DSC_9346.JPG . The mushroom insert sticks out by 8 mm extra. The kingpin axis has a caster angle and the kingpin inclination, you can measure them approximately on the drawing on the page 75 of the book.

fabrun
22nd December 2009, 04:23 AM
thanks a lot

LeonN
22nd December 2009, 09:04 AM
It is all looking good man. There is a plan of seirra hubs compleat with mesherments some ware. Quick surch has found it for me umpteen times.

The peddal box: need a hydrolic clutch for BMW bits. The BMW one can be fabricated into the book box quite easaley.

fabrun
22nd December 2009, 10:30 AM
thanks again
i 've found him

http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2703&highlight=sierra+hub

can i re use the hydraulic clutch from the bmw with this pedal box?

LeonN
22nd December 2009, 01:23 PM
Yer you can. I made a bracket to hold the mastersilinder to the pedal box and drilled a hole a bit biger than the cilinder but smaller than the boot making for a nice tight fit. I'll try and find a pic.

LeonN
22nd December 2009, 01:31 PM
http://img36.imageshack.us/img36/3707/imagetu.jpg

boath BMW brake and clutch. You can just see the bracket poking out. Pm me if you won't a better pic or some dimencions for your cad.

fabrun
23rd December 2009, 11:14 AM
chassis in video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5LYcZ2m1nMU

bobbyh
24th December 2009, 10:59 AM
any chance of a copy of the model? thanks

fabrun
24th December 2009, 11:11 AM
i share (with everyone)
just send me a pm with your email
the 3d format you want
precise only the chassis or all the part

i'll can give everything which inside the book

fabrun
24th December 2009, 11:14 AM
i add a question here
http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=3321
thanks

fabrun
4th January 2010, 11:25 AM
time for an update

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0110/80abdaf6acc7c4d7fa6c1954fb7f42b9.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis5a,80abdaf6acc7c4d7fa6c1954fb7f42b9.jpg.htm l)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0110/22981ea730720716b86299bfec05f526.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis5b,22981ea730720716b86299bfec05f526.jpg.htm l)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0110/c6c03e139111a0fa82fd9f79863fe976.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis5c,c6c03e139111a0fa82fd9f79863fe976.jpg.htm l)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0110/73bc6696cc4f4fd6c8f5b876547b8b24.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis5d,73bc6696cc4f4fd6c8f5b876547b8b24.jpg.htm l)

John.W
4th January 2010, 11:28 PM
Hi to everyone,

I have just got the book and after scanning through the forum was amazed to find the 3d cad for a LHD Roadster. Thank you to Fabrun awsum work. As you can see by my profile I live in Germany and am thinking about building a LHD.

From the 3d I can see that TR5 is on the opposite side but what about the transmission tunnel does that have to be altered as well, ie swoping TT2 and TT3, TT9 and TT11, TT10 and TT12 and the angles changed accordingly?

I have got a Vauxhall Corsa 1.4 16V, 90BHP. Does any body know if this engine can be married to a Sierra G/box?

Would it make a difference to the SVA if it was LHD?

Any advice is much appreciated

Regards
John

HandyAndy
4th January 2010, 11:41 PM
welcome to the forum John,

yes indeed Fabrun,s cad work is stunning indeed :cool:

the TR5 rail can be put on the opposite side but this also depends on which engine you fit as to whether you can fit TR5 at all, my engine install doesn,t allow it to be fitted (cvh engine).

Not sure if the engine you mention will fit/ mate with a ford box, don,t know anyone using that engine either.

good luck with your poss future build.

cheers
andy
ps. my sister used to live in your town :)

Talonmotorsport
5th January 2010, 12:27 AM
I'm sure you could cut the mounting flange off the bell housing and weld another on. Mounting a ford pressure plate on another fly wheel is easy enough with the right tools ie a lathe and mill. Would it not be easier to just put a ford engine on a ford box? I don't dougt that it can be done it depends on wether you want to spend time ,money or both?

John.W
5th January 2010, 07:28 AM
I think the Ford engine is going to be the best option for now, the thing is I don't have a sierra just yet and the corsa is sat there doing nothing. It was going to get prepared for Rally X but I am sticking with the Golf for now.

I am a bit depressed because 3 months ago before I got the book I was given a 2.0l 16V Sierra and me like an idiot I sold it. Never mind I will find another one

fabrun
9th January 2010, 11:48 AM
update!

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0110/2977310eace66b65437e80e208528aef.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/seven6,2977310eace66b65437e80e208528aef.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0110/fb54165e909093fbea817f9435532c12.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/seven6a,fb54165e909093fbea817f9435532c12.jpg.html)

just for the fun

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0110/2d47a96bf9f19d2bb4e54617436b4c90.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/seven6b,2d47a96bf9f19d2bb4e54617436b4c90.jpg.html)

spud69
9th January 2010, 11:53 AM
That looks really good Fabrun, i especially like the transparent body version in the last pic. I have been doing my chassis pictures on Google Sketchup, it might be free but is not a patch on the 3d cad pictures.

Very Good.....AndyH

tim.macartney
9th January 2010, 08:38 PM
Top notch Cad work Fabrun.
I am a solidworks user myself but got my hands on a copy of 2009 before xmas and havent got using it yet. Your modelling has inspired me to dust off the space navigator!

Look forward to seeing more of your work! - Maybe some conceptual bodywork!

Superloom
9th January 2010, 11:27 PM
Really nice CAD work there... I've just been doing some CAD work the last few days on my replacement dashboard for my kit:
Some are rough earlier ones, some are slightly newer ones. Just to get the priniciple across.
What do you all think??
Thanks
Ed

les g
10th January 2010, 02:28 AM
Really nice CAD work there... I've just been doing some CAD work the last few days on my replacement dashboard for my kit:
Some are rough earlier ones, some are slightly newer ones. Just to get the priniciple across.
What do you all think??
Thanks
Ed


ERM!!!!!!!!
i,m worried by the GTS decal in the pictures
i thought GTS was taboo ........ in the kitcar world
cheers les g

Superloom
10th January 2010, 11:05 AM
Ha, Well i dunno. GTS has been fantastic to me and constantly been offering and helping me so i can't complain. But yes i think some have had issues.

Hoybi
11th January 2010, 05:16 PM
Hello,

you made a very impressive drawing Fabrun.
I've done the body panels in 3D CAD, measured the panels I bought from Marc Fabbyglass Triton.
I can send IGES or STEP or anything else to anyone who is interested. (not for commercial use)

Just send me an e-mail address.
Mind you, it's a 15 Mb file.

Homersdouble
11th January 2010, 06:07 PM
Thanks Eddy very kind offer - PM sent

Chris

fabrun
12th January 2010, 08:53 PM
wheels arches addded (10 days of holiday and i will go on)
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0210/83df928ee2e5053b6ebc5851ac180694.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis7a,83df928ee2e5053b6ebc5851ac180694.jpg.htm l)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0210/75c3e90124d2247ecc44688f315b0602.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/chassis7b,75c3e90124d2247ecc44688f315b0602.jpg.htm l)

davidimurray
13th January 2010, 04:07 PM
Fabrun

Those are fantastic CAD models - i've done some bits of the car myself. Used to use Solidworks as my day job but only use it now for homework - and helping out the drawing office when they are stuck :D Have you tried exporting the model as a 3d PDF? They look great and everyone then can have a play with the model.

Cheers

Dave

fabrun
23rd January 2010, 06:24 AM
hello
i'm back
some update


http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0310/ef74c3b2e68296309219e1ea4f56d0d4.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-723,ef74c3b2e68296309219e1ea4f56d0d4.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0310/8d34bced6a3e6e553a78efe0b172e494.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-724,8d34bced6a3e6e553a78efe0b172e494.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0310/3aba447040704f7ebf652684e87367c0.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-725,3aba447040704f7ebf652684e87367c0.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0310/d2fc129e803b40a3515e64276051256e.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-726,d2fc129e803b40a3515e64276051256e.jpg.html)

fabrun
23rd January 2010, 06:25 AM
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0310/e5b8e10e8e4f8b2ca1160f12bb9cd2a5.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-727,e5b8e10e8e4f8b2ca1160f12bb9cd2a5.jpg.html)

fabrun
23rd January 2010, 11:04 AM
who has a good photo of sierra hub with arms ?
thanks
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0310/248bc043e2ffba80ea40ba52e04dca93.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/capture1,248bc043e2ffba80ea40ba52e04dca93.jpg.html )

GraemeWebb
23rd January 2010, 11:50 AM
who has a good photo of sierra hub with arms ?
thanks
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0310/248bc043e2ffba80ea40ba52e04dca93.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/capture1,248bc043e2ffba80ea40ba52e04dca93.jpg.html )

Chris Gibs sent me this. Hope it helps

fabrun
23rd January 2010, 11:54 AM
thanks GraemeWebb
not the drawing but a real photo , so i can improve my assembly

alga
23rd January 2010, 12:03 PM
Take a look here, couple of pics from different angles: http://locost.lt/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=22&start=110

alga
23rd January 2010, 12:10 PM
A couple more:

http://locost.lt/download/file.php?id=119&mode=view
http://locost.lt/download/file.php?id=120&mode=view

fabrun
23rd January 2010, 12:38 PM
thanks a lot

fabrun
25th January 2010, 04:17 PM
little update


http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0410/cb1f163c1f1e6167506e799b8e42338f.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-730,cb1f163c1f1e6167506e799b8e42338f.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0410/ef307c5029fa1e0ba608d7f1208c31a8.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-731,ef307c5029fa1e0ba608d7f1208c31a8.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0410/480da434c28a992846d110e723c0f8b5.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-732,480da434c28a992846d110e723c0f8b5.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0410/1bdf74249707d222feaa33f21b5a7c7c.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-733,1bdf74249707d222feaa33f21b5a7c7c.jpg.html)

fabrun
25th January 2010, 04:18 PM
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0410/3c360240bc4bda8a2b2028cfef007740.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-734,3c360240bc4bda8a2b2028cfef007740.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0410/dfad1033e4340d594740e6ce3045c5cc.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-735,dfad1033e4340d594740e6ce3045c5cc.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0410/46007b3cdfd8a33e890acebf2167f749.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-736,46007b3cdfd8a33e890acebf2167f749.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0410/6cbe363eb7f740799d13869a1bdaca91.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-737,6cbe363eb7f740799d13869a1bdaca91.jpg.html)

spud69
25th January 2010, 06:25 PM
That looks lovely, looks just like a little chrome desktop executive toy....;)

GraemeWebb
25th January 2010, 06:39 PM
That looks lovely, looks just like a little chrome desktop executive toy....;)

Now theres an idea!!

fabrun
27th January 2010, 07:20 AM
video update


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnEceRM2t8U

alga
27th January 2010, 11:11 AM
A video I would like to see is this roadster being assembled in 2 minutes :) Better yet if the chassis was also assembled in sequence. Can you do that with your model?

fabrun
27th January 2010, 12:12 PM
like this video ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=FR&hl=fr&v=-XCHwodME_8&feature=related
i can, off course
when the model will be finished i will thinking of it

Wgroove
27th January 2010, 09:56 PM
Amazing job Fabrun !
I am also building a LHD Haynes roadster (i'm from Belgium), and also using Solidworks for some parts. but what you are doing is just amazing ! Is there any chance you will share these drawings ? Could be verry helpfull for me.
It's my first day on this forum, and for me, this is what Disneyworld is for my children !:D
Thx !

flyerncle
27th January 2010, 10:20 PM
Fabrun,Have you any ideas for rocker arm suspension.

Thanks.

Nice vid.

Superloom
27th January 2010, 10:25 PM
Lots of credit to you there. I know how much skill you need and how much time something like that takes. I hope you are very proud of yourself. I would be :)

fabrun
28th January 2010, 03:16 AM
wgroove: (and everyone) read this http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=27584&postcount=31

flyerncle:
jus't don't know what is a "rocker arms" so i make a google search (images)
a good way to see solutions
http://images.google.com/images?hl=fr&safe=off&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:fr:official&um=1&newwindow=1&ei=IvBgS9vKLMOOjAeF2_GrBw&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=0&ct=result&cd=1&q=rocker+arm+suspension&spell=1

Superloom
thanks a lot,
i can't be pride for something i do everyday
i would be pride when i finished building this car in real

flyerncle
28th January 2010, 07:30 PM
Yes Fabrun the link is exactly what I am talking about.

Tatey
28th January 2010, 07:57 PM
I would love to get a complete 3D cad model finished. This is how far i've gotten so far:

668

fabrun
30th January 2010, 03:57 PM
bodywork update

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/untitl13.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=6&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/untitl14.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=7&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/untitl15.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=8&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/untitl16.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=9&u=14631632)

LeonN
31st January 2010, 07:17 PM
looking ace man. wot scuttle and nose hight did you decide on? was it BMW compaterball?

AshG
31st January 2010, 09:30 PM
tatey are you using sketchup?

fabrun
1st February 2010, 03:18 PM
the nose and the scutle is the marc fabbyglass triton one's (thanks to hoybi)

i think you want to say compatible
if so, i don't know by know but i will

Tatey
1st February 2010, 04:11 PM
tatey are you using sketchup?

Im using Autodesk Inventor 2010 Professional, one of the benefits to being a student :p.

LeonN
1st February 2010, 11:38 PM
the nose and the scutle is the marc fabbyglass triton one's (thanks to hoybi)

i think you want to say compatible
if so, i don't know by know but i will

yer i can not spell. sorry :o

if it is the triton set then the only way i can see getting a BMW 4 pot under there is with ITB's and a dry sump with separate oil resivoir / cooler
but that i gess is a different discussion.

Thanks man.

mopple
2nd February 2010, 03:27 PM
Hi Fabrun,
must agree with everyone else, you have done a great job. Have you only modeled the Roadster or have you done some drawings too? Here's my own drawing of the almost complete frame, also modeled in SolidWorks http://web.zone.ee/mopple/Raam.PDF. From my own made drawings and from the book plans my chassis fabrication starts on the next week.
In one of your earlier post you said that you make living with SolidWorks. Could you be more specific?

Madis

alga
2nd February 2010, 11:18 PM
Mopple, great drawings! I wish I had those before I started my chassis.

fabrun
3rd February 2010, 02:59 PM
and (finally?)


http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0510/6125f5b65c79e950239c51941ddc8d77.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-789,6125f5b65c79e950239c51941ddc8d77.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0510/564a645819c5dff00935e86590c86c7e.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-786,564a645819c5dff00935e86590c86c7e.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0510/4b08263fa8875e30f105809618f10855.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-787,4b08263fa8875e30f105809618f10855.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0510/686e76fb8fdd5b34d63eeb79428197d9.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-788,686e76fb8fdd5b34d63eeb79428197d9.jpg.html)

spud69
3rd February 2010, 03:16 PM
That looks great, do you want a job???;)

Bit too much camber on the front wheels though.....:cool:

Cheers...AndyH

fabrun
3rd February 2010, 03:57 PM
thanks andyh
you need a 3d designer?

for the camber, can you show me with a picture?

fabrun
7th February 2010, 10:36 AM
up

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0510/b2b3903992f09f38f81fd166fb66b518.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/,b2b3903992f09f38f81fd166fb66b518.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0510/881e985ddbbec04de5c686ce2e6d737e.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/,881e985ddbbec04de5c686ce2e6d737e.jpg.html)

Peter-C
7th February 2010, 12:41 PM
Hi Fabrun,

Could you model one with a yellow nose, scuttle and wings please ?

regards

Peter

fabrun
7th February 2010, 04:20 PM
like this ?

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0510/a77b9560749da004f306bbbb13e6515c.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/,a77b9560749da004f306bbbb13e6515c.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0510/d5a15ab5394c78e42ccbe343ae0c1bf2.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/,d5a15ab5394c78e42ccbe343ae0c1bf2.jpg.html)

Peter-C
7th February 2010, 09:51 PM
You're a star, thats hopefully what mine will look like !!

Cheers

Peter

fabrun
12th February 2010, 01:50 PM
with a new rollbar

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0610/d6b84f06d00821205f354d0cae823b41.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-831,d6b84f06d00821205f354d0cae823b41.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0610/b03dfea22b1d03fc6a7c3cdbb9b9ebb0.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-832,b03dfea22b1d03fc6a7c3cdbb9b9ebb0.jpg.html)

tkpm
12th February 2010, 08:15 PM
The new roll bar looks a bit lost behind the seats, prefer the old roll bar.

Sorry :o

Tatey
20th February 2010, 12:19 AM
Heres a quick update of my 3d cad. As some of you know i'll be getting a full cage with side impact protection installed, so I thought a good way of knowing what this will look like I've decided to model it on 3d cad. So far I have just got the heightened rear roll bar with a slightly decreased angle, and the front roll bar. I'm trying to make it so the roll bar is MSA compliant, as I'll be wanting to do a few hill climbs once the car is finished:

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm22/Simon_Tate/Roadster.jpg

I still need to put in the rear roll bar stays, the side impact supports and roof braces.

Tatey
20th February 2010, 05:50 PM
I've crudely put on the roof supports and side impact bars as I am yet to learn how to accurately do fish mouths on inventor.

http://i292.photobucket.com/albums/mm22/Simon_Tate/Capture.jpg

Feel free to tell me what you think.

HandyAndy
20th February 2010, 07:55 PM
thats looking nice Tatey, :cool:

i,ve seen some side bars that have a kink in them around where your elbow would be & so give decent elbow room & also mean you can join the tubes to the roll bar without the 90 degree corners, just an idea :)

look forward to seeing your car with a full cage fitted, :cool:

cheers
andy

John.W
20th February 2010, 08:15 PM
Taty,

If you follow the link it takes you to the MSA blue book which give you all the info you need for competition cages.

All the best with the build.

http://www.msauk.org/uploadedfiles/msa_forms/bluebooks/09/Competitors_Safety.pdf

Tatey
20th February 2010, 08:32 PM
Cheers for the support lads.

Cheers for that John, I've been reading through the blue book, however it doesn't specify a few things, which I'm currently trying to clear up. If i don't get any definitive answers then I think I'll be getting into contact with MSA.

Andy, I'm defiantly thinking about having the side impact bar follow the lines of the car instead of being 1 straight member, the MSA specs don't specify if the bar can be kinked or has to be straight, so I'm currently trying to get the bottom of that one.

I think I will also be putting a horizontal brace across the front roll bar, as suggested by Ash. I just need to make sure it's at the right height to mean that it doesn't get in the way of any dials or the steering wheel. I was thinking of running it underneath the steering wheel, but I need to do a bit more research into that one.

Also I've now changed the rear roll bar so that it has a 90 degree angle instead of an 85 degree, so that it matches the front roll bar, which I think looks better.

I'm also unsure if the roof bars can have a kink in them like Slimtater has on his car.

Chri
24th February 2010, 08:43 PM
Please can you send me a copy of your haynes roadster model? I've modelled the car in solid edge myselve (you can have the data if you want), but my work is not comparable to yours. Please, please in solid edge format (.prt and .asm respectively) or simply IGES (.igs) or .stp.

Many thanks, and tell me if I can be of help to your work,

Christian Mayr
Vienna, Austria
chri.mayr@gmx.at

fabrun
25th February 2010, 06:57 PM
iges sent
just ask by pm, thanks

fabrun
25th February 2010, 07:04 PM
this is the donor car
i won't open another build thread now, because i'm going on with 3d
the build is for later
http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/110.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=10&u=14631632)
http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/210.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=11&u=14631632)
with the help of two friends
i 'm going to dismantle (or break) the car, modeling the parts, put everything in the chassis to see if it fit well

GraemeWebb
25th February 2010, 11:33 PM
Hi fabrun I used a E36 donor. If I can help (advice, sketches and photos etc.)just ask. You can see some of my mods on flcker link below.

fabrun
26th February 2010, 09:04 AM
thanks a lot graemewebb
i surely will ask you some question later

fabrun
5th March 2010, 11:37 AM
some news
i 'll add a balljoint and a mushroom soon

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/310.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=12&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/410.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=13&u=14631632)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/07a27c7a32122e6c80f5dcbc66449011.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/5b,07a27c7a32122e6c80f5dcbc66449011.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/fba19651933665c13f26b46ec2aabe5f.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/5c,fba19651933665c13f26b46ec2aabe5f.jpg.html)

fabrun
5th March 2010, 11:37 AM
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/d41adef309577b70c0306e5149163f09.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/5e,d41adef309577b70c0306e5149163f09.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/17eea2ada5ec17dd16fe88513cf816b4.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/8-copie,17eea2ada5ec17dd16fe88513cf816b4.jpg.html)

fabrun
5th March 2010, 11:38 AM
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/fc1e2d853788fcf404ff0714bff27465.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/,fc1e2d853788fcf404ff0714bff27465.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/b69b2090e8efe188fa9dd7fcf53f99a0.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/7a,b69b2090e8efe188fa9dd7fcf53f99a0.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/a980aa6327250e1e5d91df8974c57746.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/7b,a980aa6327250e1e5d91df8974c57746.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/7ac8c7e8fe7a7dd62fb9c634c47411ae.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/7c,7ac8c7e8fe7a7dd62fb9c634c47411ae.jpg.html)

AshG
5th March 2010, 12:05 PM
looking good that. what thickness plate are you going to use? i would think the top one needs to be substantially thicker with a tapered hole for the ball joint to seat into.

GraemeWebb
5th March 2010, 12:31 PM
Looks much like I have done/planning to do. Check position of top upright link relative to the Ford one to make sure suspention geomitry is right. Also, as Ash points out, thicken up the top plate of upright.

AshG
5th March 2010, 12:57 PM
was also thinking it may be worth putting the top bolt through from the inside to out then welding the bolt to the plate and having the nut on the outside. that way you could then box it in and have a small access hole for the bottom bolt.

bonus is that it wouldn't add much weight and it would make it a lot stronger.

AshG
5th March 2010, 01:07 PM
something like this sorry for the crude drawing have only got ms paint on this pc

http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww75/ashgardiner/bmwhubdesign.jpg

fabrun
5th March 2010, 03:44 PM
update

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/3ffce6a4e94613c9dc62889cca8a2517.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/9a,3ffce6a4e94613c9dc62889cca8a2517.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/0910/aabbf1df6b95e29e1e19b82d8b08a169.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/9b,aabbf1df6b95e29e1e19b82d8b08a169.jpg.html)


thanks ashG
just see your modification

fabrun
5th March 2010, 05:19 PM
what about, 5mm for the thickness of the plate
the top one is doubled

good idea ashg i will draw it

AshG
6th March 2010, 10:23 PM
you will need to measure the depth of the taper on the ball joint but i think it is about 15mm so you will want about 15mm plate for the top bit. 5mm plate will be fine for the rest.

look at the thickness of the bit on the hub where the bottom ball joint goes for reference on thickness. i would suspect it needs to be about the same.

jonB
7th March 2010, 05:28 AM
Very nice work fabrun.

Did you do/can you do beaming and trosional tests on the frame of your model?

In Australia we have to pas Beaming and Torsional tests, the torsional test i sapparently the hared to pass at gretaer than 4,000Nm per degree over the wheelbase.

thanks
jon

fabrun
7th March 2010, 11:02 AM
sorry jonB, i never had time to invest in FEA:(

AshG
7th March 2010, 08:51 PM
hi john welcome to the forum. do all cars on oz have to pass that test? i believe the torsional data should be available as it was done when the chassis was designed as chris and martin got a chap on locost builders to run it through some FEA software.

jonB
9th March 2010, 04:40 AM
Hi Guys

Thanks for that.
Yes all owner built cars have to pass beam and torsional testing.
I have read that there was FEA analysis done on the design but i cannot find any results.

thanks
jon

ozzy1
9th March 2010, 10:35 AM
You may find that beam deflection & torsional rigidity testing is down to your engineer,some may require some not.I know here in WA we dont need to do it legally but also we dont need side intrusion panels/bars either.
I would join a car club in your area and talk to members about who they recommend etc as an engineer to use,some are more sympathetic:rolleyes: than others.

fabrun
13th March 2010, 11:59 AM
update with the différentiel

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/18c4c9e3822be4a9d4d5a043bb6d12fb.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/diff1,18c4c9e3822be4a9d4d5a043bb6d12fb.jpg.html)

on the ground (bottom view)
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/01619d616dea91c74d1937d496f58a45.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/diff2,01619d616dea91c74d1937d496f58a45.jpg.html)

after 3d modeling

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/4d812af89f50babf8df2963da73243b3.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/untitled-906,4d812af89f50babf8df2963da73243b3.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/759e37ff2fbb5c20ee69552233efa292.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/untitled-907,759e37ff2fbb5c20ee69552233efa292.jpg.html)

fabrun
13th March 2010, 12:06 PM
inside the chassis
http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/3f476983cd2ebd6531b00a05709dcf4b.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/untitled-913,3f476983cd2ebd6531b00a05709dcf4b.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/a35714760cf9cea8e83887c81f9f0027.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/untitled-914,a35714760cf9cea8e83887c81f9f0027.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/bf40d60018239353eafbfa052a2ac8bf.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/untitled-915,bf40d60018239353eafbfa052a2ac8bf.jpg.html)

fabrun
13th March 2010, 12:09 PM
a cut for a better view

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/c3c9e7d53c2fb16c5709013e0a09f518.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/untitled-916,c3c9e7d53c2fb16c5709013e0a09f518.jpg.html)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1010/14998bf78510837f6c923348b3f80c8c.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/image-perso/untitled-917,14998bf78510837f6c923348b3f80c8c.jpg.html)

twisterracing
1st April 2010, 03:58 PM
Fabrun .....Love your work...now I won't sleep because I will be thinking about why I lack the skills to use Solid Works
Well Done!
Michael

fabrun
1st April 2010, 04:12 PM
thanks a lot
skill with solidworks comes only with practice:)
try every day and you'll become better than me

Peter-C
1st April 2010, 07:22 PM
Just pure magic. I'm still on MS paint.

Davey
1st April 2010, 08:08 PM
MS Paint? Solidworks?

I'm still on a stick in a sandpit!

D.:D :D

John Marchant
6th April 2010, 11:02 PM
Fab piece of cad. would you be able to send me a .stl file of it that will allow me to make a small model on a rapid protoyper? bit cheeky I know but if you don't ask.....

fabrun
7th April 2010, 05:38 AM
hi
why not?
can you sell me a copy ?
if yes , how much ?

br
fabrun

give me an email in pm

fabrun
8th April 2010, 07:11 PM
update


http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=17&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur11.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=18&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur12.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=19&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur13.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=20&u=14631632)

fabrun
8th April 2010, 07:13 PM
http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur14.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=21&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur15.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=22&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur16.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=23&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur17.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=24&u=14631632)

fabrun
8th April 2010, 07:17 PM
http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur18.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=25&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur19.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=26&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur20.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=27&u=14631632)

http://free0.hiboox.com/images/1410/67d4c03a76becb5caca400e6e1bf8c53.jpg (http://www.hiboox.fr/go/images/informatique/capture17,67d4c03a76becb5caca400e6e1bf8c53.jpg.htm l)

John Marchant
23rd April 2010, 09:56 PM
For all of you CAD fans out there, please check out the chassis forum/is this chassis too small???
I have rapid prototyped a chassis from a CAD drawing which may be of interest.
Fab CAD work by the way, looks awesome...

fabrun
2nd May 2010, 09:02 AM
gearbox added (roughly done)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/dsc00410.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=28&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/dsc00411.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=29&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur21.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=30&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur22.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=31&u=14631632)

fabrun
2nd May 2010, 09:04 AM
http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur23.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=32&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur24.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=33&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur25.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=34&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur26.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=35&u=14631632)

fabrun
7th June 2010, 11:54 AM
forget the name in english :o
http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/pict0010.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=36&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur27.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=37&u=14631632)

http://i63.servimg.com/u/f63/14/63/16/32/captur28.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=38&u=14631632)

alga
8th June 2010, 10:48 PM
Steering rack! Is the Bimmer's rack the right length? Cause the LHD Escort quick rack from Rally Design will cost in the vicinity of €200 with postage.

GraemeWebb
8th June 2010, 10:53 PM
Steering rack! Is the Bimmer's rack the right length? Cause the LHD Escort quick rack from Rally Design will cost in the vicinity of €200 with postage.

No. The BMW rack is to long. I know I tried it.

fabrun
31st August 2010, 02:50 PM
hi everyone

holidays are over

http://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/14/63/16/32/pict0010.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=39&u=14631632)

http://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/14/63/16/32/pict0011.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=40&u=14631632)

http://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/14/63/16/32/untitl10.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=41&u=14631632)

http://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/14/63/16/32/untitl11.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=42&u=14631632)

fabrun
31st August 2010, 02:51 PM
http://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/14/63/16/32/untitl12.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=43&u=14631632)

http://i33.servimg.com/u/f33/14/63/16/32/untitl13.jpg (http://www.servimg.com/image_preview.php?i=44&u=14631632)

Gunter
4th September 2010, 10:25 PM
Hi Fabrun.
I have been following your thread since I became a member. I am also building the roadster using a BMW318 as a donor. My frame is about 90% done, and I am getting ready for the next phase, fitting out. You have done an incredible job modeling and designing this car in cad. Would you be kind enough to share the model and drawings? Having access to these details would be a huge benefit. You can see our progress at grichtler.blogspot.com. I lead a number of cancer patients who are doing the work. It is meant to be a therapeutical exercise designed to keep their minds off their difficulties. Everyone involved is very enthusiastic and cant wait to actually get the car done. Thank you in advance
Gunter

fabrun
5th September 2010, 05:04 AM
hi gunter
no problem
pm me your email,

maxubar
5th September 2010, 08:29 PM
hi. i sent you a pm too with my e-mail. did you got it? thanks

fabrun
6th September 2010, 05:06 AM
yes i got it

maxubar
7th September 2010, 02:38 AM
I didn't got anything. it's a big file size?

fabrun
7th September 2010, 04:34 AM
re-sent
br

maxubar
7th September 2010, 01:19 PM
I didn't received it. can you try maxubar@walla.com please?

Thanks

fabrun
7th September 2010, 01:31 PM
look in your pm as well

maxubar
8th September 2010, 03:16 AM
Oh sorry i thought you were sending it to my e-mail.
Thanks

ftaffy
10th January 2011, 09:36 PM
PM Sent fabrun. (2 actually as it errored first time...)

Cheers,
Taffy

fabrun
11th January 2011, 03:46 AM
hi
i sent you an email yesterday!
check pm as well

fabbyglass
11th January 2011, 12:37 PM
Still trying to get my head round creating things with solidworks, I can read and create drawings the old fashioned way no problems but this puta way is mind blowing....I can see many a lost day just sat pressing keys just hope I can do what I want with it:cool:

Hats off to those who know how to make cad work creating models and drawings etc...I'm still at the confused stage:rolleyes:

fabrun
11th January 2011, 01:10 PM
Hats off to those who can create so beautiful seat!

fabrun
11th January 2011, 01:14 PM
Last news:
The build has started!
I ask some help to a technician school
Students are happy to work on such project
They are on holydays now, so more news next month!

fabbyglass
11th January 2011, 01:40 PM
Hats off to those who can create so beautiful seat!

Cheers and I'm hoping to use solidworks to sort out my next daft invention:D

mr henderson
11th January 2011, 04:53 PM
I've not tried a Haynes chassis in Google Sketchup, but I've done enough stuff with it now to know that it would certainly be possible.


The advantage of Sketchup is that it is free, BTW :)

ginger nutter
11th January 2011, 04:59 PM
Pm sent fabrun :)

fabbyglass
11th January 2011, 05:29 PM
I've not tried a Haynes chassis in Google Sketchup, but I've done enough stuff with it now to know that it would certainly be possible.


The advantage of Sketchup is that it is free, BTW :)

So was my copy of solidworks 2009....;)

fabbyglass
15th February 2011, 01:43 PM
Solidworks is the bees knees you change materials etc so draw summat up and faff about making it look like anything from wood to carbon fibre....just wish I could remember what buttons to press and why o why do they use puta nerdy speak for engineering terms it's confusing my stupid old brain:o

mr henderson
15th February 2011, 04:41 PM
You can do the same thing with Sketchup, and can even paste your own photos onto stuff.

Or you can take a picture of a building, then use an add on program to calculate where the picture was taken from, and actually draw the building from that, no need to enter the dimensions.

There's a lot more Sketchup models out that you can download than there are for Solidworks, I daresay Solidwiorks is ultimately better but usually it is very expensive too, so the user base is much smaller.

alga
15th February 2011, 06:16 PM
The difference is that Solidworks edits models (like a CAD), whereas Sketchups works with meshes.

mr henderson
15th February 2011, 10:33 PM
The difference is that Solidworks edits models (like a CAD), whereas Sketchups works with meshes.



Not really telling us a lot there, though, are you? That sounds more like a difference in how it works rather than what the difference means to the user.

mopple
16th February 2011, 12:36 PM
The main difference is that Sketchup is a tool meant for modeling structures for Google Earth program.

As SolidWorks and other mechanical CAD programs are professional tools for engineering. With these tools you can create structural frames, sheet metal parts, parts with very complex geometry, make drawings that are associative with the model from what the drawing is generated from. Then assemble those parts, run simulations for mechanical strengths, aerodynamics, thermal problems. Use CAD data for CNC manufacturing etc.

Some examples what I have done in SolidWorks:
Drawing of Roadsters base frame. (http://web.zone.ee/mopple/Haynes/Alumine%20raam.PDF)
Drawing for my coworkers AC Cobra replica scuttle and firewall area (http://web.zone.ee/mopple/Haynes/Footboxi%20koost%20ver%202.PDF)
And those panels (flat patterns CNC punched and pressed then CNC bended) trial fitted Pic 1 (http://web.zone.ee/mopple/Haynes/IMG_3969.JPG) Pic 2 (http://web.zone.ee/mopple/Haynes/IMG_3974.JPG)
Looking quite good, don't they? Can you do those things in Sketchup?

Madis

fabbyglass
16th February 2011, 01:00 PM
Can tomato sketchup create dxf files that can be read by cnc machines so your parts can be laser cut and or cnc machined? Because solidworks can...:)

mr henderson
16th February 2011, 03:12 PM
This is getting a bit silly. OF COURSE SOLIDWORKS IS BETTER, no-one, least of all me, is denying that.


Please remind me how much Solidworks costs someone who is buying it, and then we can compare it with how much Sketchup costs.


Here is a list of what the professional version ($495) can do in terms of import and export. I believe that you can get 8 hours of demo use free, so you can create a model in the free version, then use 30 seconds of Pro time to export it in the chosen format.

http://sketchup.google.com/intl/en/product/whygopro.html

fabbyglass
16th February 2011, 04:17 PM
The tinterweb is a wonderous machine, I got about 8 Siouxsie and the banshee albums in a matter of hours with as many if not more Cocteau twins albums say no more;)

mr henderson
16th February 2011, 04:23 PM
The tinterweb is a wonderous machine, I got about 8 Siouxsie and the banshee albums in a matter of hours with as many if not more Cocteau twins albums say no more;)

Dubious moral ground though, isn't it. How would you feel if someone took moulds off stuff you've made?

fabbyglass
16th February 2011, 04:40 PM
Dubious moral ground though, isn't it. How would you feel if someone took moulds off stuff you've made?


I made a point of taking the piss at Stoneleigh a few years ago when I saw that Carbon Mods had copied my low side seat. If you look at the stuff they do it's all copies of Westy and caterham stuff.

Laws are made to be broken otherwise what is the point off having coppers:rolleyes:

mopple
16th February 2011, 04:44 PM
Mr Henderson,

You started to compare SolidWorks with Sketchup.

For true mechanical CAD the cheapest option is Alibre Pro http://www.alibre.com/products/ad_compare.asp. It's not as mature as SolidWorks, Autodesk Inventor or SolidEdge, but it is also a lot cheaper than other mid range MCAD packages.
I will say again that Sketchup is not a mechanical engineering CAD software, although it can be used to make very neat models and schemes in PRO version.
For 2D CAD I sugest to check out fee DraftSight (http://www.3ds.com/products/draftsight/download-draftsight/) from Dassault Systèmes the mother company of SolidWorks.

mr henderson
16th February 2011, 05:43 PM
Laws are made to be broken otherwise what is the point off having coppers:rolleyes:


What an extraordinary thing to say.







Mr Henderson,

You started to compare SolidWorks with Sketchup.



No, I didn't, I simply pointed out that it would be possible to draw up a chassis in Sketchup.

fabbyglass
16th February 2011, 06:16 PM
What an extraordinary thing to say.


If it was legal to go as fast as you like then folk wouldn't bother, take CB's when they were illegal everyone and his hamster had one then they legalised them and no bugger wanted one.
:D :D






No, I didn't, I simply pointed out that it would be possible to draw up a chassis in Sketchup.

I was led to believe that the Roadster was done in sketchup but then i might be telling fibberoons again:D

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16th February 2011, 06:52 PM
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alga
17th February 2011, 12:58 AM
Not really telling us a lot there, though, are you? That sounds more like a difference in how it works rather than what the difference means to the user.

In a 3D CAD, a sphere is a sphere, an exact mathematical representation. In a 3D modeler, a sphere is an approximation made out of many little triangles, like here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygon_mesh
All dimensions involving curved lines or surfaces will be approximate when working with a mesh, and exact when working with a solid model.

That said, Sketchup is great for many CAD-like applications. My brother designed a gazebo in Sketchup prior to building it out of wood and polycarbonate. Worked a treat.

fabrun
19th March 2012, 06:09 AM
short visit to say that first post was update: link to files added

sportiva.t35.com
26th December 2012, 01:52 AM
Any drawings of the BMW upright mod?