My 4x4 Kit car is commencing

[correl]

Hi just thought i would add some photos of my start to building this roadster

Of course at first the donor car has to have everything removed; heres how i got on.
The suspension and running gear to the rear ending is removed

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/CarpartsforsaleDEV004.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/CarpartsforsaleDEV001.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/CarpartsforsaleDEV005.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/CarpartsforsaleDEV009.jpg

[AshG]

interesting way of suspending the car. wouldn't want to be under it if the towing eye lets go.

i normally do it through a cross member :D or put the car on its side

http://www.haynesroadster.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cars/coupe.jpg

http://www.haynesroadster.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cars/coupe1.jpg

http://www.haynesroadster.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/cars/marea.jpg

[correl]

I put large peices of wood under it before i went under there lol, The towing eye on the back of this car is very big and if it can tow a car it must be strong, think how hard they get yanked on when you pull away, mind you the front one i wouldn't trust with the engine in. will when the engine is gone lol, That how its leaving, 2 engine cranes then a hiabe on a lorry.

[davidimurray]

The towing eye on the back of this car is very big and if it can tow a car it must be strong, think how hard they get yanked on when you pull away

Just as a caveat the eye will be strong in tension, but unlikely to be anywhere near as strong in bending

[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/Breakingdownthe4wheeldrive001.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/Breakingdownthe4wheeldrive002.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/Breakingdownthe4wheeldrive003.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/Breakingdownthe4wheeldrive006.jpg

[twinturbo]

I am strugling to see your images??

TT

[gingea1pom]

Me too

Cheers Ginge

[correl]

Me too

Cheers Ginge

dont knowwhy they aint working they work fine here

Click on me (http://www.fordmondeo.org/forum/showtopic.php?tid/827196/)


But the pics should be working now

[twinturbo]

How are you expecting to use the runnign gear, the Mondeo setup will not fit a 7 Style car.

TT

[correl]

using the designs but making the chassis 300mm wider. (Wide Boy super 7 lol)

[deezee]

300mm wider :eek: Have you started on the chassis yet?

[twinturbo]

I realy dont think the 7 is going to work for you.

If you make the car 300mm wider then unless you increase the track ( which would mean longer driveshafts ) then your wishbones are going to be incredibly short or a very very odd design.

The height at th front is also going to be an issue, you need to keep the drive shafts as level as possible to avoid undue strain on the CV joints.


If you want 4x4, then use the Ztec engine but use sierra running gear.

TT

[deezee]

I'm guessing he is using the Zetec out of his 4x4 Mondeo? Also it will have all the suitable driveshafts, if he's using the Mondeo as the donor. Personally I think its going to look exceptionelly ugly. The wide Luego looks like a joke and thats quite wide. 12 inches wider is going to just be against the ethos of a sports car.

Luego Vs a Locost
http://www.kitcarclub.nl/mkportal/modules/gallery/album/a_329.jpg

[twinturbo]

Also. the mondeo shafts run in line with the back edge of the engine. So with the driveshafts in line with the hubs would mean the engine is sitting in the front frame at the nosecone, this would probably put too much weight over the front of the car.


Look at this picture and imagine the engine being turned 90 degrees and centraly located where the front rails are. That's prety much where it will have to be.
http://www.oweneng.co.uk/oweneng%20kitcar2.jpg

TT

[deezee]

I thought the Mondeo 4x4 used the MTX75 Gearbox with a transfer box? So the engine has to be dropped in sideways, which is probably why he needs a chassis 1 foot wider.

TBH I don't see the point getting it all in, only to have less power than other engines, and weigh 200 kgs more. With all that extra chassis, driveshafts and transfer box.

[twinturbo]

Sorry, just edited that to clarify.

Engine forward and rotated 90 degrees.

YEs it's the MTX75 with a transfer box of the diff.

TT

[AshG]

i think its ambitious :D if i wanted a 4x4 7 i would use the gearbox and front diff and hubs off a 4x4 sierra. you would then have to move the front dampers forward so that the drive shafts would clear. something like the mk indy R front suspension design would work.

personally i think is a bit of a waste of time using the zetec as it doesn't make enough power to warrant 4wd.

i dont really think 4x4 fits the ethos of a roadster is there a particular reason you want 4x4 or is it just for the challenge of doing it? i can tell you before you start that a standard roadster will run rings round it all day but i doubt that will put you off.

what im not going to say is dont do it. if you think you can pull it off then i personally would like to see.

[twinturbo]

is there a particular reason you want 4x4 or is it just for the challenge of doing it?

I suspect it's the old "I have a donor to use but it's a....." reason

Personaly.

I would flog the Mondeo 4x4 stuff. Buy a 2.0 XR4x4 Gearbox and diffs. and do it that way. the Zetec will bolt to the MT75 box.

TT

[correl]

I aint going to go down the sierra route, its been done to death!!! When i do thinks i do things different. I aint going to just follow the norm. It sounds to me like your all stuck in your ways and i think this will probably be my last post on here

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3641.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3645.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3647.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3648.jpg

[twinturbo]

I am not stuck in my ways,

I converted a 1.8 RWD sierra to 24V V6. and 4x4 with ABS.

I have converted a 1.1 Carb Golf to 1.3 EFI

And converted a FWD golf to Full IRS with longnatudinal engine..


there are only 1 or 2 4x4 Sierra based Roadsters neither of which I think are IVA'd, so it's not been done to death.


If you realy think it's a goer, then post up some pics of what you think it's body is going to look like. Are you plannign a 7-esq or full boddied car?

TT

[correl]

I am not stuck in my ways,

I converted a 1.8 RWD sierra to 24V V6. and 4x4 with ABS.

I have converted a 1.1 Carb Golf to 1.3 EFI

And converted a FWD golf to Full IRS with longnatudinal engine..


there are only 1 or 2 4x4 Sierra based Roadsters neither of which I think are IVA'd, so it's not been done to death.


If you realy think it's a goer, then post up some pics of what you think it's body is going to look like. Are you plannign a 7-esq or full boddied car?



TT


The engine will be right up front like you, the difference in weight if 80Kg(transfer box and drive shafts, the photo of that car that was posted other than the grill looking ugly is how it will basicly look the suspension i have only drawn up rough on paper at the mo as am stripping the donor first. When i have the frame and have tested the suspension lengths then i will post it all on here so anyone wanna see how i did it they can see for them selves

[twinturbo]

Are you going to keep the mondeo lower wishbones, it would probably help.

Are you going to be able to get the engine under the nose?

It may be an idea to mock up the front end in timber so you can see how it will fit together..

TT

[AshG]

at the end of the day you can do what you like. as i have said i would like to see the progress and results.

i think you need to remember that this forum is primarily for people building a haynes roadster from the book. personally i don't think what your doing will resemble a haynes roadster. Although i firmly believe everyone is welcome to share what ever they are building and we all would love to see it. you just have to remember most people on here will be biased towards the book chassis design/setup/look.

what people are suggesting are ways to keep it looking like a book car. its becoming obvious that you are not so worried about keeping to book spec looks.

[correl]

that was the plan as my dad is a carpenter I was going to get him in and help with the nose.

No am going to replace the lower arms will a modified design on the haynes ones, they will be approx the same size as the standard mondeo ones but the mounts are better on the haynes and look more in keeping with the Kit Car design. The main problem I can't work out on paper is that the front suspension will in the stand position foul the drive shafts

[correl]

may have to lean the arm slightly to the front or back depending on space. One thing I did test is lock to lock on the drive shafts they don't move forward or back. so only have to judge the up and down angle

[AshG]

if you look at the mk indy R front suspension that will help. make sure its the r spec one that you look at and not the normal one

have a look here there are some really good picts of the suspension lay out on the indy r

http://mkindyrbuild.blogspot.com/

[correl]

I want to to have the basis of looking like a haynes kit Car but I want to personalize it and make it mine. Not so much of a paint buy number's if you know what I mean. The basic shape is going to still be there and its just wider, like its going to be sat on 17" alloys, I am sure I ain't seen many like that


at the end of the day you can do what you like. as i have said i would like to see the progress and results.

i think you need to remember that this forum is primarily for people building a haynes roadster from the book. personally i don't think what your doing will resemble a haynes roadster. Although i firmly believe everyone is welcome to share what ever they are building and we all would love to see it. you just have to remember most people on here will be biased towards the book chassis design/setup/look.

what people are suggesting are ways to keep it looking like a book car. its becoming obvious that you are not so worried about keeping to book spec looks.

[correl]

end of the day. The car is mean't be fun and a challenge and this is going to be both. Loving it already. Dirty from head to toe lol

[frankie boy]

end of the day. The car is mean't be fun and a challenge and this is going to be both. Loving it already. Dirty from head to toe lol

HI
There was a post on here in 2008 with a wide chassis to take all of the BMW 5 series and all its running gear. If I remember right it was Chris Gibbs brother in-law. It was in keeping with the roadster but was a big boy. There may be some information on the geometries for a wide body car.

[correl]

well the body pannel's being put on is a long way off yet. So designing the nose cone and other body parts are going to be months and months away. At least my cars giving people things to talk about. LoL

[twinturbo]

Wideness is not going to be the problems, and I actualy like the wide look. I had thought about a MCSorley When i was building a Locost.

Height is going to be the issue. The bonnet will have to be a lot higher than the standard bonnet as the driveshafts need to run close to verticaly between the hub and gearbox to avoid over stressing the joints. This is going to be even worse on 17's as that will raise the hub center. The scuttle is going to be lower than the nose ( and that may fail the IVA ).

( Look at thee Audi TT for an example of a front engined FWD sports car )

I was also wondering about the front shox and their location.

If you still have the query regarding the mushrooms then I can measuer the front strut of one of my MK1 2.5Si's sapre suspension.


Once my roadster is done, I will be using the 2.5 24V out of my MK1 mondeo in a seconf 7esq car, but with the unit tighlty packed behind the driver.

TT

[deezee]

Well its ambitious, but I'll reserve judgement until I've seen rolling chassis. I'll offer all the help I can for a Haynes Roadster builder. But I'm not sure if this will resemble a Haynes in the slightest (Different chassis, running gear and bodywork)

I had a quick peek on Locost Builders and I can't find anyone who has used a transverse engine arrangement, in the front.

[Bonzo]

Once my roadster is done, I will be using the 2.5 24V out of my MK1 mondeo in a seconf 7esq car, but with the unit tighlty packed behind the driver.

TT

Ere TT ....... You have nicked my idea :D :D

Well .... I can dream it'll hapen for me one day !! :o :o

I guess the aspect of shock location would probably be best solved by way of inboard suspension ...... I wouldn't fancy having a crack at that job from scratch !!??

[twinturbo]

You could use a diagonal from one of the wishbones to act on a damper behind the engine with a rocker on the top rail.

TT

[correl]

Well I will keep posting on here letting you all know how its going

[Simon_K]

Correl, I admire your adventurous spirit, but people are just trying to be helpfull.

I got ""Flamed" within the first week of being on a build site, because I said not everyone could afford to go the home built fuel injection route and I was going to use the Ford stardard stuff on my Zetec!

I would guess you are lot like me in that you probably know it SHOULD not be done, but you cannot resist having a go anyway. Heck, that's half the fun for me!

On that basis, best of luck and if it works, we all look forward to seeing the finished article. Don't forget to document it thoroughly so we can crib when all the Sierra's have vanished!

If however you are looking at getting your car on the road a.s.a.p. for driving, then please take the advice that is freely offered.

As for the towing eye lifting idea? I can push a Mondeo, but I cannot lift one. Enough said?

(Now a TWD Modeo rear engined adaptation, THERE'S an Idea!)

[twinturbo]

I got ""Flamed" within the first week of being on a build site, because I said not everyone could afford to go the home built fuel injection route and I was going to use the Ford stardard stuff on my Zetec!


Hahahah... There just seems to be a big aversion to fuel injection.

I will be using the stock EEC-IV on my 12V V6. And will use the Mondeo 24V Management with Pats when I use that engine, that will be a nice chalenge to keep that working :D

I am planning to ditch the management on my TwinTurbo sierra though and go to megasquirt as the TurboTechnics stuff is a bit limited.

TT

[correl]

hi, I have been modifying cars for years before deciding to build this car. First thing is I know that at the mo everyone is preaching to me but the last post about going mega squirt I have to say something. First though at first I will be using the mondeo wiring loom and have already begun taging and covering all the connector for my easy when they Are removed from the car. Ok if I was going to go custom on my fueling I would go emerald, much more reliable then the mega squirt

[correl]

mega squirt have a habit of being nothing but grief. I have heard of many stories on my old forums of people using mega squirt and at first it all runs lovely, then disaster when the ecu either just die's or burns something out. The price for emerald ain't that big of deal when you factor in any repair's you will have to make because you used mega squirt

[twinturbo]

This may be of use

http://enderw88.files.wordpress.com/2007/07/zetec1.jpg

And the gearbox ( yes I know it's a 2WD but you can see how how the driveshaft output relates in terms of the engine)

http://www.burtonpower.com/technical_1/techpics/mtx75gearbox.jpg

TT

[twinturbo]

Drive output Looks to be about 2 thirds of the way down the fly from the centerline.

Fly looks about 300mm in diamiter. so that makes it 100mm from the fly center and therefore 100mm from the bottom of the block.

Engein height = 426mm from base of block
+ the affore mentioned 100mmm makes more or less 52cm.

So.

If your keeping the drive shafts flat as possible, you will need to add 52cm height over wheel center. Wheel center on 17" /2 = 8.5" + 1" for the tyre. converted to CM is near on 24cm to the wheel center.

24 + 52 = 74cm to the IDEAL height the engine top will be sitting at.



Hope all that makes sense.

TT

[correl]

Don't you just hate when things get in the way of your project. I finished removing the parts on the donor car yesterday and my mum's car failed mot Grr so I have her car in for repair in my garage and I have just noticed my car's inner cv boot is spit. I have one I bought for the kit car to replace the ones it has. But still its going to take up at least two days sorting them before I can get the other donor car in for its engine to be removed!!!

[correl]

Don't you just hate when things get in the way of your project. I finished removing the parts on the donor car yesterday and my mum's car failed mot Grr so I have her car in for repair in my garage and I have just noticed my car's inner cv boot is spit. I have one I bought for the kit car to replace the ones it has. But still its going to take up at least two days sorting them before I can get the other donor car in for its engine to be removed!!!

My cars done and mother's car is all but done 2 small bushes to go. So tomorrow night back to kit car yay!!

[twinturbo]

Ahh the luxury of just having 2 broken cars:rolleyes:

My wifes failed it's MOT to the degree that it's not worth fixing, Her other car has been off the road for 2 years but is almost ready for the road ( a weeks work ) , but it's blocked in the garage by my 24V sapph that needs finishing for the summer, which is blocked in by a MK1 golf shell that needs to go, which is blocked in by an Imovvable twinturbo XR4, which is flanked by the previously mentioned MOT failed Mondeo. And tucked beside bits and pices is the Chassis for the roadster.

And My galaxy needs the Aircon Rebuilding and a water leak fixing.... Perhaps I have too many things on...


Keep us posted on the progress

TT

[correl]

Ahh the luxury of just having 2 broken cars:rolleyes:

My wifes failed it's MOT to the degree that it's not worth fixing, Her other car has been off the road for 2 years but is almost ready for the road ( a weeks work ) , but it's blocked in the garage by my 24V sapph that needs finishing for the summer, which is blocked in by a MK1 golf shell that needs to go, which is blocked in by an Imovvable twinturbo XR4, which is flanked by the previously mentioned MOT failed Mondeo. And tucked beside bits and pices is the Chassis for the roadster.

And My galaxy needs the Aircon Rebuilding and a water leak fixing.... Perhaps I have too many things on...


Keep us posted on the progress

TT

OOOOOOOkkkk!! you win lol

Whats up your other halfs mondeo?

[Bonzo]

Ahh the luxury of just having 2 broken cars

My wifes failed it's MOT to the degree that it's not worth fixing, Her other car has been off the road for 2 years but is almost ready for the road ( a weeks work ) , but it's blocked in the garage by my 24V sapph that needs finishing for the summer, which is blocked in by a MK1 golf shell that needs to go, which is blocked in by an Imovvable twinturbo XR4, which is flanked by the previously mentioned MOT failed Mondeo. And tucked beside bits and pices is the Chassis for the roadster.

And My galaxy needs the Aircon Rebuilding and a water leak fixing.... Perhaps I have too many things on...


Keep us posted on the progress

TT


Here TT .................. You remind me of .......... Well, me !!:D

My place resembles a scrap yard at the moment !!??

Mk 5 Escort in the workshop for repairs ( Friggin clutch AGAIN )

Calibra in the drive & awaiting breaking. Saving the Red Top engine .... Keeping some spares for Juniors car

1987 Pinto engined Mk3 Transit Tipper in the drive .... Seldom used ... On SORN at the mo, but still insured & MOT'd ( I have a feeling I am going to have to tax it real soon )

My daily driver Mazda, thankfully still sweet & needs no work.

Juniors Calibra, demoted to parking in the lane at the end of the drive.

Finally, a Daihatsu Sportrak sitting on the front grass, much to the annoyance of er indoors :eek:
The Dihatsu was given to me & was far too good to scrap .... Fast dawning on me though ..... If I want to crack on with the Roaster, I ain't got the time to waste on that !!! & best it just goes to that happy scrapyard in the sky ??

All in all .... Got my work cut out keeping the good lady wife sweet :o

[twinturbo]

OOOOOOOkkkk!! you win lol

Whats up your other halfs mondeo?

Handbrake low effort for 3rd year running, so suspect another caliper.
Front Brake pipes incorrectly routed and rubbing ( subframe drop job )
Number plate lamp
Advisorys on pitted disks ( it's done 3K in 2 years )
Cracked screen ( VOSA man was there and it was 100% by the letters, so the fact that the crack was right in the lower passenger corner but in the swept area "Actualy the Parked possision!!" Mr VOSA said no.. so that would be another £60..

And the emissions were out for the second year, it had a main cat last year. But the work to find out if it was that or one of the other two cats was going to get expensive!!

It was £350 before the screen and emissions work

And I suspect a headgasket leak on one bank anyway...

Not worth spending that much on ( MK1 Si 2.5 with RS Pack. ) .. I will probably be braking it eventualy...

TT

[correl]

well as you can see by the rest of my posts I really crack on. Mother car is done, my car is done and the second donor car is in the garage. This one I only need the engine, seat's and a couple of other small things.

Then I have to put the 4x4 gearbox to the engine and put the transfer box back on with its new seals and fresh lick of paint. And place it down in the corner of the work shop on some card board to protect the sump and ne paint lol

[correl]

what i have been up to, frist car out second car in!!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3678.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3679.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3725.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3719.jpg

[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3717.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3723.jpg

[twinturbo]

Any update?

TT

[correl]

Any update?

TT

Loads but now awaiting the chassis to get on

Here are some pic update

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3801.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3798.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3784.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3772.jpg

[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3771.jpg

[HandyAndy]

Looks like you,ve been very busy , running gear looks nice :cool:

Your chassis is being despatched tomorrow, :) I,m doing the finishing touches to it now , as we speak (type)
Can,t wait to see pics of the running gear in your chassis:cool:

Nice work.

cheers
andy

[correl]

Got a camera there have you? you could post a photo of my chassis from there lol

[correl]

In between checking on here to see whats going on i am going through wiring loom's. Sorting what i do snd dont need. its not much of a photo opp more of an birds nest!!! lol

[spud69]

Got a camera there have you? you could post a photo of my chassis from there lol

I'm afraid he's gone home now Correl..........:eek:

Will have to wait until tomorrow. Not much to see though just a load of steel bar. Andy was going to ask if you wanted the front frame welding up and if so do you still want the standard 75mm offset between top and bottom frame?

AndyH

[HandyAndy]

I'm afraid he's gone home now Correl..........:eek:

Not much to see though just a load of steel bar.

AndyH

:o
I see lots of steel bar,:eek:

Its very satisfying seeing a load of 7mtr lengths of steel turn into smaller lengths that all have the cut angles marked & ready to go on their first journey:cool:

cheers
andy

[correl]

No dont want it sent welded incase i need to change anything.

[correl]

Would be nice to see the birth place of my chassis!!! lol

[HandyAndy]

No dont want it sent welded incase i need to change anything.

No prob Correl, I got your reply to my PM, :)

I thought it best to ask , just incase, & also it wouldn,t have been a prob to weld it for you,

If you need to change anything once you start welding it together, just shout if i can help in any way.

By the way....the kit comes with spare lengths of the 2 different sizes of boxed tube ;)

cheers
andy

[correl]

Cool can't wait to get cracking!!

Thankyou for everything you have done and i am sure we will be in regular contact during the build!!

Let me just say Thankyou again!!!

[HandyAndy]

You,re very welcome Correl,

& thankYOU for ordering your chassis from me,

Keep me updated with your progress & like said........I,m happy to help if i can. :)

cheers
andy

ps..... i,ve ordered some stickers , I,ll forward one onto you when i get them, stick it on your car/toolkit/ lunch box etc :)

[correl]

The sticker sounds good to me, will find somewhere on the car for it!!

[correl]

do you have any designs for your stickers that you can put up on here??

[HandyAndy]

do you have any designs for your stickers that you can put up on here??

I,ve told the supplier what i "would like" & so he is putting something together for me, as yet I haven,t seen the finished design yet,

Tho, its just a simple "Logo" saying " Chassis by Handyandy"...........

cheers
andy

[correl]

sounds good cant wait!!!

[correl]

I've told my other half what's going to be waiting for the delivery. I wanna know the min it arrives!! LoL

[HandyAndy]

Your chassis is wrapped, address labels attached, courier will be collecting between 2pm to 5pm this afternoon.......

Will you get any sleep tonight?:D

You,ll soon be up to your knee,s in steel :)

cheers
andy

[correl]

can't wait, no your right probably won't sleep lol!!!! Will be making my build table up tonight!!!

[correl]

well the build table is nearly built lol, just some leg braces and the top boards screwed down. Then i can start drawing out the chassis.
:-)

[correl]

I have just been informed two heavy boxes have just arrived at my home !!! Yay wanna go home now lol

[bobbyh]

i just got chance to have a flick though this thread on a pc that shows pics (silly works pcs) and that looks like a really good project. i will watch your progress with interest.

[correl]

more pics later!!

[correl]

more pics later!!

[HandyAndy]

glad your kit arrived nice & early, :cool:

are you welding it together yet? :)

have fun.

cheers
andy

[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3820.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3826.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3828.jpg

And all this still to go!!!!!!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3833.jpg

[HandyAndy]

wow :eek:

You,ve been busy :D

nice to see it arrived safely, i try to ensure that no parts can break free from the packaging :)

keep the pics coming.

cheers
andy

[AshG]

woah that is going to be one wide car. looks like its been widened by about a foot. have you thought about what approach you are taking with bodywork yet?

[correl]

will do andy, gotta lift the engine up on the bench tommorrow align it so i know where to put the whole in the bench for the sump.

Bench was designed to take the weight so should be fine :-)

[correl]

will get to rolling chassis then worry about bodywork but if i have to i will fabricate the lot.


and yes pritty much a foot wider


Wider equals stable so wont be a bad thing

[HandyAndy]

are the tubes that I cut to the new dimension ok for you Correl?

hope it goes together ok for you, :cool:

cheers
andy

[correl]

Yes so far so good, need to organise the tubes tomorrow lol took ages to find the ones i needed coz there was so many lol

The sizes you have cut so far have got straight on the build board, haven't even needed a file lol!!

Looking forward to tomorrow, got to sort out getting gas for my welder. Then there's nothing stopping me lol

Not doing bad considering i started this less then a month ago!!

[HandyAndy]

The sizes you have cut so far have got straight on the build board, haven't even needed a file lol!!


Not doing bad considering i started this less then a month ago!!

You may need to run a file over some of the cut burrs, I left the rear tub frame tubes extra long to allow for adjustment to the dimensions of the wider chassis.

at this rate , you,ll be finished before me :eek: :D

yes, there,s alot of tubes..........i,ve cut 4 kits in the last 13 days :)

enjoy your build :cool:

cheers
andy

[correl]

So your currently in the middle of a build of your own are you how may have you built now then?? Have you been taking any photos? What stage are you at with yours then??

[HandyAndy]

yes, i,m building my own car at the moment, have a look at the thread "big day" in the chassis section, thats me, :) lots of photos in the thread.

I also make parts for lots of folks cars , along side Spud at Saturn Sorts Cars :cool:

Your kit is number 16 that i have cut, thats the beauty of the Roadster, they are all based on the same design but allow each builder to "personalise" their own car in some way.:cool:

cheers
andy

[correl]

So your currently in the middle of a build of your own are you how may have you built now then?? Have you been taking any photos? What stage are you at with yours then??

[twinturbo]

http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=2163

TT

[twinturbo]

Is the engine on the table yet correl ?

TT

[correl]

Everything is going according to modifed design so far!!!
http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3834.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3835.jpg

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http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3838.jpg

[correl]

Parts of the kit left to do!!

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3839.jpg

[HandyAndy]

the writing on those tubes looks familiar :D

doing well there Correl, it,ll really "come to life" when you start adding the tubes that give the chassis some "height".

nice work :cool:

If i remember correctly there was 104 tubes in your kit :eek: :D

cheers
andy

[spud69]

That's looking good Correl, don't think you'll have much time to watch that tv though - there's going to be a lot of head scratching as the build goes on but it will certainly be worth seeing it as it progresses.

Just re-read that "Big Day" post TT that was a good day and seems ages ago - just look how much things have moved on now. And how much the haynes and number in build has expanded.

Enjoy....AndyH

[correl]

no gas for my welder at mo tacked the FF together with out gas just o get an idea of height, be gas needed to continue with height.

Things slowing me down lol

Only waiting to hear from BOC for my account to be set up and then i am good to go. Everything takes time!!! lol

[spud69]

BOC - Don't do it...:o

Do what you can to avoid a BOC contract Corell - it'll cost you a fortune. Ask about and see if you can get it cheap without rental. If you where close to Hartlepool i could get you a full size bottle of 80 / 20 mig gas for £30, tis fiddly but well worth it.

AndyH

[correl]

I am in cornwall a far way from you lol, I have asked around and it works out £75 a year for the rental and £36 for the gas and if i dont need the Welder any more then i can get a refund of the remaining years rental. I dont wanna use them stupid small bottles out in 20mins and cost £15 a bottle here and thats with discount!!

[correl]

So your currently in the middle of a build of your own are you how may have you built now then?? Have you been taking any photos? What stage are you at with yours then??

[twinturbo]

???? Havent you asked that twice already??:o

Spud has built his roadster, IVA'd and on the road.
Handy is finishing his roadster off hopefully in time for Stonleigh in May. Currently at the rolling running stage.

Spud and Handy have also operate as Saturn Sports Cars

TT

[correl]

yeah I never wrote that??? How odd

[correl]

well I am at the workshop again measuring and laying out the lower tubes for the transmission tunnel, its really cold tonight. Can barely feel my fingers!! LoL


No heating :-( need to work hard to make heat lol

[correl]

well a night of head scratching and measuring for sorting the trans tunnel lol

Still none the wiser really lol

4x4's prop ain't centered so tunnel is going to have to be widened I think.

More measuring tomorrow I think lol

[twinturbo]

well a night of head scratching and measuring for sorting the trans tunnel lol

Still none the wiser really lol

4x4's prop ain't centered so tunnel is going to have to be widened I think.

More measuring tomorrow I think lol


Yeah , i saw that in this pic.

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3836.jpg

Gives the driver moor room :)

TT

[correl]

I know why its done that way is coz it give room driver's side for the exhaust but the rear diff isn't as far over as the transfer box I guess coz the cat is right along side the transfer box, (not yet looking and exhaust so that's another day lol)

could do with like about 2 months off work so I can really get on lol, couple of hours here and there is making go over the same stuff again and again Grr

[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/DSCF3843.jpg
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[Bonzo]

Just been looking at your progress pics

Now you have the engine in situ .... Have you given any thoughts as to how you are going to route the steering gear past the Transversely mounted Zetec engine :confused: :confused:

[deezee]

Wow, see what you mean Ronnie. Steering rack could be squeezed in around that engine mount, but not sure its going to sit at the correct angle to the hubs. But the steering column? Well thats going to take quite a few UJ's to twist around the engine to meet up with the drive input. I'm assuming Correl will be using the power steering rack off the donor car?

[AshG]

he is going to have to move the front wheels back by the looks of it. there is no way the drive shafts at the front are going to be froward enough to meet the hubs.

[deezee]

If the front hubs and wishbones move back to the middle of the engine compartment, then they'll need redesigning surely? Also its kind of going to make a mess of the pedal area. Wonder how this will handle with the track being 30cms wider and the base 45cms(?) shorter

[correl]

Yes the drive shafts mean the front suspension has to come back a little and the steering rack is going where it goes on the donor car behind the engine so lots easier and the rack goes at the same height as the rear engine mount if you look in the photos it will be easy

[correl]

Well I have started on the engine mounts but due to mothers day it holding me back from getting on with them lol. Dam fake days lol just excuses to waste kit car budget money lol

[richardk]

Correl, first time of reading this post and I'm really impressed so far, refreshing to see something really different. Nice work.

Cheers

Rich

[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/16032010523.jpg

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http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/16032010524.jpg

[mark]

Thats a tight fit :eek:

Where are you going to route that exhaust? straight out of the nose cone :D

Its going to be interesting seeing how you overcome all the problems you are going to encounter.

You must like a good challenge, good luck and keep the pics coming

[richardk]

Now's a good time to think about the steering downlink as that's going to be tough, this is how I did mine which may give you an idea.

You're doing well...I was at mine over 3 years!!

Cheers

Rich
http://www.kilmartin.it/gallery/picturegallery/IMAG0092.JPG

[Davey]

Its certainly an interesting project and you're getting on exceptionally well with it but I do wonder what its going to handle like. I mean mine's gonna have 200KGs of Cosworth V6 in it but at least I can get it behind the front axle line, you've got a super light chassis with five eighths of sod all at the rear and a fairly heavy lump of metal in front of the front axle line. weight distribution is going to be ................................different:confused : ?

D.

[HandyAndy]

Wow Correl :eek:

You,re certainly not hanging about are you ????

Looking good, tho it must be a heck of a challenge to get everything in place & workable without any guides to point you in the right direction.

keep the pics coming :) :cool:

cheers
andy

[correl]

getting the engine mounts done, then looking at the steering rack, once the rack is in place I can put in steering column and pedal box position's.

There's nothing like building something completely for your self is there, feels good and makes you feel confident

[correl]

Thats a tight fit

everything is always better if its a tight fit lol

[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/16032010521.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/16032010522.jpg

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http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/27032010543.jpg

[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/27032010544.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/27032010545.jpg

[correl]

Thats 3 out of the 5 engine mounts in, need to tidy them up and fabricate the steering rack bracket and then the 4th engine mount as the mount goes over the rack

[correl]

Ok I haven't dropped off the face of the earth, the reson why the posts haven't been updated is coz i have done my back in and can barely walk

Hope to be on my feet soon though!!

[correl]

I will add thought the 4th mount is fitted and the steering rack is in position too. One more mount and the engine can come out again?

[HandyAndy]

nice work Correl, look forward to some more pics soon,
hope you get back to full health soon , I have a pain in the neck but she,s at home so thats ok :D

did you get the dimensions I pm,d to you?

cheers
andy

[correl]

yes got them thanks for that, will be helpful when my back is back to full strength so I can use those dimension's to plot the drive shafts etc

[correl]

Well the final mount is in and is going to be renforced tonight, will try to remember my camera. Then mark all the mounts to show where I can round them off and out comes the engine so I can roll the chassis over and weld the bottom and an other places I couldn't get until now. So more photos soon

[richardk]

Glad you're feeling better and looking forward to seeing your progress. Cheers Rich

[correl]

Well The Rear Sub Frame is back from the sand blaster and now primed. Now its aligning the rear supension time

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/22052010029.jpg

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/22052010030.jpg

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[correl]

http://i72.photobucket.com/albums/i161/correl2000/4x4%20Kit%20car/13062010061.jpg

The Rear end is being tacked together!!

Slowly but surely its all coming together on the back

[Eternal]

Sweet stuff! Amazing work can't wait to see more.

[twinturbo]

Any progress in the last 3 months?

TT

[twinturbo]

Any Progress in the last 8 months?

TT

[james3004]

I presume this build is dead as we haven't heard anything for nearly 2 years, shame:(

[HandyAndy]

I presume this build is dead as we haven't heard anything for nearly 2 years, shame:(

I presume the same as you James,

I supplied the chassis for this build but haven,t heard anything either, shame,

cheers
andy

[trick-kit]

I would guess, that given his last post on here was for ideas on how to get the drive to the front wheels, that the cost of a bespoke gearbox has put paid to this project.

TK

[twinturbo]

I could never see how it was going to work , be IVAable and look ok.

TT

[james3004]

I had my doubts

[robo]

The challenge is at the front. The lump of transferbox that will intrude into the cockpit is far enough back to not be a problem, it basically ends up under your knees which are bent anyway. the shaft going forward is inside the tunnel long before it gets to the pedals so thats not an issue. Then comes the front. The way i saw it was the the diff has only one place to go so thats where the steering rack will end up and the driveshafts would have to go through where the front springs go. So it would have to be cantilever springs and shocks mounted inboard and that then that just leaves the steering rack. The only way I could see a route for the steering column to get to the steering rack would be one of those steering angle drives like the ones used on forward control small commercials . The rack could then be mounted with the spline looking straight up and the column could point over the top of the halfshaft then change direction via the miter box. Simples

http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?q=steering+miter+box&hl=en&biw=1366&bih=624&tbm=isch&tbnid=hqGEtfZuoIVV_M:&imgrefurl=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Orion-Bus-Steering-Mitre-Box-Sheppard-PT-010433513-/300486960264&docid=io43kX5e3zkdeM&imgurl=http://i.ebayimg.com/09/!B66j5j!!2k~%2524(KGrHqIOKiwEyWbg6IltBMys1DjQl!~~_ 35.JPG&w=300&h=225&ei=S9CJT7qGGqPM0QXJnKDGCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=429&vpy=156&dur=78&hovh=180&hovw=240&tx=174&ty=94&sig=108719269629639493973&page=1&tbnh=137&tbnw=178&start=0&ndsp=20&ved=1t:429,r:2,s:0,i:69

If I had more time I would relish the challenge

Bob

[waynes world]

I guess this is why Ford running gear is suggested is best, i did think it was a difficult way to go.

Shame still, be good to know what happend though.


wolly:)

[Talonmotorsport]

My approch would be to go with an Impreza engine,gear box and uprights,push the engine as far forward as possible putting the drive shafts in front of the bulk heads. I think we had this conversation two weeks ago?

[MarkB]

A 4x4 7 is nowt new, Dax did it years ago and perhaps they don't do it now for a reason?........I would say pointless as the thing will be big clumsy and very heavy and the complete opposite of what a light weight sports car is meant to be.

[twinturbo]

Dax still sell the rush Quadra.

~10% weight gain

TT

[MarkB]

Dax still sell the rush Quadra.

~10% weight gain

TT

Do they? well you learn summat new everyday......:D But then again Dax know what they are doing and make some damn nice cars:)

[ozzy1]

Maybe its finished and on the road :eek: :D .There are a few people out here building 4wd electric one apparently.:eek:

[twinturbo]

Lot easier to package 1,2 or 4 traction motors than a transverse engine and box.

Just the batteries to hide!

TT