This needs a re write

[robo]

Come on chaps this iva manual needs a re write to cut out the shxxte and be roadster specific. Needs to be available to all so we can deny the iva terrorists the re test fee!!!!!!!!!!!! Anyone?

Bob

[deezee]

The manual is available to all. isn't it? I'd leave it exactly as it is. Is there a particular section your struggling with? to be honest, the only iva help required is a good source of trim and covers to help pass. if you build it by the book with aluminium panels, there are loads if sharp edges that need covering and capping. what

[robo]

Just thought it would be a good idea to sift through the manual and pick out the bits that apply and a pointer to where and what needs doing to comply. Reading the forums there are a fair few failures which can only be the rules misunderstood ,no one would go along to their test thinking they had a failure which reiterates my point on interpretation. it would probably end up a few pages.

Just my 2pc

Bob

[MarkB]

Trouble is the IVA is like the MOT, it's down to the tester and his interpretation of the regs, for instance my camper failed the mot for having tyres that measured from 2mm to 1.6mm across 3/4 of the tread width yet were ok in the eyes of another tester!!!:mad:

It's all about covering their own arse in the event something goes wrong!!!

[flyerncle]

"Center 3/4 of tread must have at least 1.6 mm" ask for a VT17 and see what happens,there is too much "intrepetation" of whats written and RFR's are clearly stated in the manual.

The fast fit fraternity are the worst for this as they prey on the ill informed public with the old sharp intake of breath and I would not let my kid drive that story's

[les g]

"Center 3/4 of tread must have at least 1.6 mm" ask for a VT17 and see what happens,there is too much "intrepetation" of whats written and RFR's are clearly stated in the manual.

The fast fit fraternity are the worst for this as they prey on the ill informed public with the old sharp intake of breath and I would not let my kid drive that story's

Paul
i told him to complain and take it to the top..and complain in the proper manner
but i think he just likes to moan. :p
you like me know what happens if you press the right buttons!!!! :eek:
but i dont think Fabby believed me :(
cheers les g

[flyerncle]

Agreed Les,only problem with VT 17 is that it will cost you full current fee and in the current situation of fee cutting its probably easier to put up and shut up and give in and do it.

Something I came across was a local Audi dealer testing a TT and failing it on front roll bar excessively worn and marked dangerous on the 30 £600 to repair.

I did it for less than £70.

[les g]

Paul
i have seen both sides of it
and agree sometimes its easier to grin and bear it
but it really grips me when people are being shafted
the only way to deal with mot cowboys is use the correct channels
if not vosa wont even flag it for consideration
its tuff love but it has to be done
..... how many times have you been told pass and advise ...................
and thought if that was my car i would do that.....
it a shitter but unless the little guy stamps his fot nothing changes
cheers les g

[MarkB]

I complained but my rant on here wasn't about my MOT it was more to point out that whether MOT or IVA it's down to the person testing at the time as some folk have passed IVA and some haven't yet have done exactly the same things in exactly the same way.




Paul
i have seen both sides of it
and agree sometimes its easier to grin and bear it
but it really grips me when people are being shafted
the only way to deal with mot cowboys is use the correct channels
if not vosa wont even flag it for consideration
its tuff love but it has to be done
..... how many times have you been told pass and advise ...................
and thought if that was my car i would do that.....
it a shitter but unless the little guy stamps his fot nothing changes
cheers les g

[les g]

I complained but my rant on here wasn't about my MOT it was more to point out that whether MOT or IVA it's down to the person testing at the time as some folk have passed IVA and some haven't yet have done exactly the same things in exactly the same way.

Got to disagree with you there Mark on one point
there should be no grey areas with an MOT there is a book with all the Q,s and A,s and it should be available at the Test Station.

But as for IVA that seems a friggin nightmare and definitely open to the testers interpretation
cheers les g
ps how you doin you have been quiet

[robo]

Les you are right but there should be no grey areas. Going back over time people have got away with things that have tripped up the next poor sod. Which brings me back to to point of a re write. All said and done you should be able to go there and pass. I dont think there is a person on the forum thats a fool but still there are some getting tripped up and robbed at the iva stage. I reckon a simple draft of the stumbling blocks would be a great help and that can only come from those who have been built and passed iva. At least you could stand there and argue "your valid point".

Bob

[les g]

Les you are right but there should be no grey areas. Going back over time people have got away with things that have tripped up the next poor sod. Which brings me back to to point of a re write. All said and done you should be able to go there and pass. I dont think there is a person on the forum thats a fool but still there are some getting tripped up and robbed at the iva stage. I reckon a simple draft of the stumbling blocks would be a great help and that can only come from those who have been built and passed iva. At least you could stand there and argue "your valid point".

Bob

Bob i agree
i was reading a thread on lcb a chap had issues with his steering column and wheel .
he failed.
went home done some research went back argued the toss with proof that someone else,s car had passed with the same items fitted .
the tester went away made a fonecall and came back and said he would allow it on retest.. now that is not even remotely amusing its absolutely woeful..
cheers les g

[MarkB]

And that comes down to the tester not the regs as we all have access to the IVA and MOT regs.

I asked an MOT tester today about braided hoses and MOT, he said it's an advisory in his opinion as the packaging usually states for Race use...:rolleyes:
So I said if I built a road going race car where does that leave me?...He just shrugged his shoulders..!!

[flyerncle]

Its the age old story and when the human element is involved the crap hits the fan,there are no "grey" area's in testing as the method and reasons for refusal are written in black and white and as far as I remember the only specific must have is class 7 tyres load rating numbers.

The only way to solve the mot test problem is let VOSA do all the tests at one fixed price,ask any VOSA guy what his opinion on an item is and gauranteed you will get this answer "what does the manual say".

Its all down to the tester at the time and what he thinks the book say's but that is the way it is and as others have posted it is up to the presenter to complain at the time,but as I said before they will pray on the unwary ,as for the tester Mark mentioned he should be stopped testing as there is nothing in the manual to suggest advising braided hoses in any shape of form and he is talking rubbish.
I have tested since I was 18, and am now a lot older (55) and seen the test change over the years and some of the things they bring in are ridiculous,the condition of brake discs has been altered and unless they are totally donald ducked you cannot fail them,question this,the guy has an accident two days later and kills someone,you advised the discs and he took no notice what would happen.

[les g]

Paul i agree 100%
you have to complain
dont know of a tester who likes a visit from the Vosa man.
When i worked for it was worse for us as we were continually audited and the auditers were tough and sharp as pins..
and they have all the answers......
The brake tester used to cause us no end of grief with presenters.
1% under and its a fail and they used to whine and moan but just 1% over and its a pass they would be high kickin their heels out the test centre.
Now thats an odd one 1% effort over minimum on a 44 ton arctic is ok..
scary stuff really but a pass is a pass
cheers les g

[flyerncle]

Should not admit this but nobody reads it anyway,I used to take units for test and used to watch the brake meter and if it was failing percentage wise I loaded the axle more with the airbag control,backfired when they installed a new meter and you could see the weight increase.

ATL brake testers will and do fail brakes if the wrong weight is used compared with VSI and axle weights from tester and also kerbweight.

As for testing,yes people should complain there and then but lack of knowledge and the belief that the person testing actually knows the what,why ,and wherefore of what he is actually doing and placing trust in the tester.

VOSA in there wisdom (?) have stopped supplying hardback manuals and everything is available on the net to all and sundry,so with regard to previous posts regarding braided hose,s being a fail or an advisory item its there in black and white so try and find it, Guaranteed you will not as it is not there in any shape or form to be interpreted by all and sundry.

The old cherry,brake pipes. RFR is excessive corrosion not really rusty :rolleyes:

Rust is the cause of corrosion,dictionary definitions.

Bob,no re-write will happen as its law but it should more user friendly.