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norton 22nd May 2015 11:10 AM

FOR SALE - MX5 Saturn build.
 
Fast forward to the last post for sale details.

Hi everyone,

About 4 weeks ago I found the Haynes Roadster book then 3 weeks ago I started my build!

I've gone for the Saturn mx5 plans and I've been making nearly everything from scratch myself.









I hate the front frame...

norton 22nd May 2015 11:12 AM








K4KEV 22nd May 2015 11:19 AM

Hi Norton whats your proper name and where you at? great to see a newb since it has been a while since anyone has started a build , look forward to watching your roadster take shape and looking like very good progress so far dont forget there is a plethora of info on here so ask if not sure. gud on yer so far bud.

norton 22nd May 2015 11:26 AM

Cheers Kev, I can't stop!!

My names Gavin, I'll add some details in my sig in a bit and yes, I've a mass of questions!

Latest.





I'm waiting for the suspension brackets before I can complete the rear end. I've welded what you see together which was a bit naughty but it's still dimensionally good. My table sagged a bit meaning one of the lower side to side chassis rails bowed down when clamped up however removing the unwanted section which blocks the trans has helped.

Next up is the remaining plates then the suspension arms. Hopefully the brackets will arrive soon :(

Numplumb 22nd May 2015 11:34 AM

Hi Gavin and welcome 1 of your photos shows TR5 which will be in the way of the inlet manifold if your going to use MX5 engine

Regards Mick.

norton 22nd May 2015 11:40 AM

Hi Mick and thank you, yes I got carried away. It's gone now though.

So, first question, will 13" wheels fit the mx5 running gear?

I intend to use the 1.6 brakes but if anything bigger will fit I'm all ears.

Stot 22nd May 2015 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norton (Post 100630)
Hi Mick and thank you, yes I got carried away. It's gone now though.

So, first question, will 13" wheels fit the mx5 running gear?

I intend to use the 1.6 brakes but if anything bigger will fit I'm all ears.

Hi,

It depends on the wheels. Mine has 13" steelies on it, 1.6 running gear and brakes.



Not sure 13" alloys would fit as they tend to have a thicker rim material. Heres the clearances on my steelies.





Cheers
Stot

norton 22nd May 2015 11:52 AM

Thanks Stot,

Hmm that's promising then. I thought the rear lower arm would get in the way so I'm glad to see it might not.

norton 22nd May 2015 06:38 PM

I made a start on the steering column however it's become very clear I need to do this with the seat in place.







Is it looking about right so far?

I'll get the rack fitted tomorrow to help the process.

twinturbo 22nd May 2015 07:06 PM

Speedy progress, well done!

Have you got a plan for the body work?

TT

garyt 22nd May 2015 08:19 PM

Welcome, that's good progress so far like everyone said don't be afraid to ask if you have any questions
Gary

SeriesLandy 22nd May 2015 09:24 PM

Looking great so far, you've really cracked on with the build.
Take a look at the faq in my sig, if you haven't already as there are some really useful tips and answered questions in there

Ianr 22nd May 2015 11:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norton (Post 100635)
I made a start on the steering column however it's become very clear I need to do this with the seat in place.


Is it looking about right so far?

I'll get the rack fitted tomorrow to help the process.

I've just gone through this process and found it important to have the pedals and rack in to get everything to fit (and the seats). That said I have retained all the pedals, brake & clutch cylinders and the servo all top hung as in the MX5, this may not be the same if you are mounting the book pedal arrangement mounted on the floor level
Ian

norton 23rd May 2015 04:12 PM

Thanks for the feedback guys and the links, much appreciated.

I'm pushing to do as much as poss atm as we're due our first in September. I'm sure everything will grind to a halt then.

A couple of hours spent today.





I found this quite stressful due to wanting to achieve perfect dimensions. As it turned out it was bang on in all but one which was out by a mm. Using enough amps generated a ridiculous amount of heat however it's penetrated well.

CTWV50 24th May 2015 02:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norton (Post 100630)
Hi Mick and thank you, yes I got carried away. It's gone now though.

So, first question, will 13" wheels fit the mx5 running gear?

I intend to use the 1.6 brakes but if anything bigger will fit I'm all ears.

Yes they will I run pro 1.2 alloys with 1.8 brakes, the offset I can't remember off hand. Quick build so far!:cool:

Rosco 24th May 2015 07:33 AM

Coming along nicely

norton 24th May 2015 08:52 AM

13" wheels AND 1.8 brakes! That's that sorted then, thank you!

I've got a solid 8 hours in the garage tomorrow so I plan to have all front arms done. The rears will come next weekend then I can hopefully, if my brackets arrive drop it on the floor...

dubzter 24th May 2015 05:22 PM

looking good and impressive build speed so far.

norton 25th May 2015 06:46 PM

Another arm done. I've also gone to town tidying the main chassis and welding more plates on.

I'm still waiting for my suspension brackets to arrive, I can't finish the rear end until then.

How has everyone gotten welding inside the really tight angles on some of the chassis rails?

Davidbolam 25th May 2015 09:38 PM

Welcome to the forum and a nice looking build you have started there. If you have any questions re the mx5 build just ask.

Where are you based?

flyerncle 26th May 2015 03:16 PM

Nip the shroud of the Mig torch in a vice gently .

norton 26th May 2015 03:25 PM

Hi David, I'm in Hampshire.

I'm using a tig welder with a tiny cup however it's not enough. The sides of the tungston arc out to the metal rather than the tip.

Stot 26th May 2015 03:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norton (Post 100670)
Hi David, I'm in Hampshire.

I'm using a tig welder with a tiny cup however it's not enough. The sides of the tungston arc out to the metal rather than the tip.

Does your tig allow you to MMA/Stick/Arc weld, many do? I Arc welded those bits.

Cheers
Stot

norton 26th May 2015 10:44 PM

Yes it does, good idea, I'll give it a go.

SeriesLandy 27th May 2015 10:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norton (Post 100670)
Hi David, I'm in Hampshire.

I'm using a tig welder with a tiny cup however it's not enough. The sides of the tungston arc out to the metal rather than the tip.

Whereabouts, being nosey?

norton 27th May 2015 10:29 PM

Not far from you. I don't give out my exact location publicly because of my job.

norton 30th May 2015 07:18 PM

3 down, too many to go!





I'll have the other front arm built tomorrow along with a jig for either the rear upper or lower arm.

My suspension brackets will finally be with me next week meaning I can finish its back end and hopefully have it sat on its wheels. Then it's engine and diff time. That's the milestone I'm aiming for. I'll slow down after that.

norton 31st May 2015 10:22 AM

I'm in a conundrum again about the registration path I go down.

I have all mx5 mechanicals inc engine and box but from various sources, not one car. Will I still be able to get an age related plate?

If not I might pursue my ultimate intended incarnation and go for a duratec and a Q plate. What to do?

Help!

Ianr 31st May 2015 10:37 AM

The way I read it is you need two major components from one car to claim an age related plate. there is a list of the acceptable components which I don't have to hand at the moment, someone else will I am sure. the components are sometimes obvious - engine, gearbox, axles - and sometimes less so - wiring loom - do you have any two components that you can relate to one car?

norton 31st May 2015 10:45 AM

Not to one car no. Balls. This means either sourcing an engine and box from one car or accepting a Q plate and going for a duratec I guess.

PorkChop 31st May 2015 12:09 PM

At the end of the day, does it really matter to you?

IMO, the car is still going to perform the same regardless of what's written on the number plate and Q plated kits tend to have no stigma attached unlike Q plated production cars...

And I think it wouldn't be good enough to have 2 plus major parts from one car, you would need proof of it, e.g. a donor V5.

norton 31st May 2015 01:40 PM

This is the debate forming in my mind, so what? It would make life a lot easier to go for the intended end result straight away. I'll give it some more thought. Thank you for the input.

norton 2nd June 2015 10:00 PM



Nearly all done. Annoyingly the last arm I thought I finished went wonky so I need to correct that. Also still waiting for the suspension brackets which should turn up any day now I hope.

I'm off next week which should give me the time to get it on its wheels and the engine, box and diff mounted too.

SteveH 2nd June 2015 10:20 PM

i want a set of them please :-)

norton 2nd June 2015 10:25 PM

Give me five million pounds as that's what it'll take to get me making more. Hated it.

CTWV50 2nd June 2015 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by norton (Post 100712)
Not to one car no. Balls. This means either sourcing an engine and box from one car or accepting a Q plate and going for a duratec I guess.

You need 8 points to get an age related plate. You really don't need anything from the original car and the engine has identity but is only 1 point! Gearboxes, axles, transmission, steering etc have 2 points and no identity. The big point scorer is *NEW* chassis which is 5 points!

"Get an age-related registration number
You can apply for an age-related number if you can prove you’ve used 2 original major parts along with:

*. a new monocoque bodyshell, chassis or frame from a specialist kit manufacturer
*. an altered chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame from the original vehicle

The registration number will be based on the age of the original vehicle.

Your vehicle must pass the relevant type approval test to get an age-related registration number."



mgglep 2nd June 2015 10:50 PM

Also if you have a q plate the mot is slightly different and easier for things like emmisions breaks etc etc

Ianr 2nd June 2015 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTWV50 (Post 100734)
You need 8 points to get an age related plate. You really don't need anything from the original car and the engine has identity but is only 1 point! Gearboxes, axles, transmission, steering etc have 2 points and no identity. The big point scorer is *NEW* chassis which is 5 points!

"Get an age-related registration number
You can apply for an age-related number if you can prove you’ve used 2 original major parts along with:

*. a new monocoque bodyshell, chassis or frame from a specialist kit manufacturer
*. an altered chassis, monocoque bodyshell or frame from the original vehicle

The registration number will be based on the age of the original vehicle.

Your vehicle must pass the relevant type approval test to get an age-related registration number."



Thanks for this Chris - wish I had known it before I bought my failed build, looks like a Q plate for me - unless I can get some cooperation from the original builder of my chassis

CTWV50 2nd June 2015 11:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianr (Post 100736)
Thanks for this Chris - wish I had known it before I bought my failed build, looks like a Q plate for me - unless I can get some cooperation from the original builder of my chassis

I'm not telling you to be naughty but word has some great invoice templates. ;) You have PM BTW. (private messages) top right of this page.

CTWV50 2nd June 2015 11:17 PM

Saying all of the above I was quite prepared to take a Q as it didn't really bother me but when i found the above info i just thought I'd try an age related application and see what happened and it worked. ;)

https://www.gov.uk/vehicle-registrat...tered-vehicles


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