Saturn / NTS Bodywork on eBay
 

Just noticed that the saturn / nts body work has popped up on eBay

Linky

I don't recognise the username and it says "Bodywork is taken from the popular Saturn molds"

NTDWM

I would guess Nathan has sold the moulds on, or is making again as he said he might.

In the same area as nts and saturn but a load cheaper

I was thinking of selling all my nts/saturn grp and buying some agm or other bodywork to be honest

Let's hope the quality is better than what I ended up with

That's what I thought but that's only half with the rest paid on collection.

Looks like it is someone pretty close to spud -- the nosecone photo is different from the one used in the saturn/nts web shop. Looks like they were shot at the same time, with the same camera.

Ebay:


Saturn/NTS:

http://www.petersellersappreciations...InTheDark1.mp3


Bob:)


Peter Sellers as Clueso Untill the case is solved!!!!1

I agree with you Alga, it is probably someone real real close to Spud :D
Good to se that moulds are in use again, I just love the look of Saturn bodywork:)
Hope everything will be sorted with your bodywork Alga.

Janne

It is definitely a builder, according to their Ebay feedback history, they started their build on 22 July 2008 with a purchase of an Escort steering rack and mushroom inserts, followed on with various parts for a Zetec install with Kawasaki ZX6R bike carbs, and finished with a Sierra expansion tank on 17 April 2010.

Now, who could this be? :cool:

spud69 joined this forum on 23rd July 2008. Hmmm!

The car in the ebay photos is also spud's car

This is all a bit strange.......:rolleyes:
Somebody with the forum name of "SPUD69" was checking out the forum this morning....:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Real strange... how could this be....:D :D

hey who cares (as long as the quality is there of course) ...I hope they are coming out of the saturn moulds then its a win win for those of us who have bought saturn parts including me.

And this evening ;)

It's nice to see him back because he hasn't been on here for months!

I agree Kev, I know I'll be after a new side panel or bonnet at some point in the future

I agree I now know I can get the bodywork I wanted all along very happy man now

Didn't his car have a zetec on some Kawasaki carbs? Seems all very odd

All you detectives are really making me laugh its very funny

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We can all only hope he is back top bloke with top quality products imo. Just what the industry needs, and nice and local for my panels when I eventually get to that stage.

Im with you on that one.To say i was disappointed is an understatement.

Let's hope they're not from the Saturn/NTS moulds, apparently they are knackered and were apparently most of the reason for the poor quality as everything that came out of them had to be reworked.

Now, before people start jumping up and down with anger, these were the words straight from Nathan's mouth when he delivered a second set of panels that he had made to replace the first and very badly made panels that Andy had made. The second set were probably as bad as the first and now as they are being fitted to the chassis are showing signs of poor workmanship too.

Having seen both sets of panels personnaly, I have to sat that I wouldn't be happy with the quality even if the whole set was only £380 as the ebay ad would trick you into believing, let alone £780 :eek:

Let's hope i'm wrong, but if the moulds are as bad as Nathan led people to believe then nothing good will come out of them.

So whose going to be first to part with nearly £800 to find out?

TK

Hi John,
Any idea when you will be unveiling the Vodou products...:)
I have been curious about your car for sometime...:D :D

Johno

Trick-kit you said that everything from that moulds needs to be reworked that is absolulty not true!!!!!!!!!
I get parts from both fabby and Saturn, the parts from fabby need a full paintjob but from Saturn it was spot on. I don´t now how Nathans parts looks like so I will not talk about that.

Janne

Why is it such a big problem with those worn moulds? Isn't it possible to make a mould out of a part buffed to a high standard? It's just a bit more complex than making a bodywork part itself. I believe Andy H mentioned on here he plans to make new moulds some time prior to stepping away.

I dont think there was a problem with anything spud/nathan turned out for sale, it was merely the fact the molds were tired and it took a fair bit of luck and a lot of elbow grease to bring them to saleable standard. Remember all the seconds for sale!!!!!!!!. There are enough happy customers out there with the spud/nathan products but there are also a few pissed off ones . You cant win them all:D

Bob

No Janne, I said that the parts that Nathan (and Andy towards the end i'm guessing) had to be reworked, not everthing. As you said you cannot coment on things you haven't seen, I am only commenting on the 4 or 5 sets i've seen in the flesh over the last couple of years.

Sadly it would seem the moulds have reached the end of their life and need drastic maintenance or replacement.

As regards your bodywork by Fabby, I cannot comment, again i haven't seen it, however I have seen about 10 other sets he did make and they were all very well finished, Marks green set (Gus on here) HandyAndy's and don't forget the set used by Andy to promote Saturn's business were made by Fabby ;)


Hey Johno, it's not my car, Vodou belongs to Matt I just help out in a technical role when needed :D Matt is now back woking at things having had a few personnal issues to deal with, I can't talk about when yet (I'm sworn to secrecy) but things are moving fast.

Hello all,

Ive not been on here for a while due to a few ups and downs in my life and a bit of embarrasment for not being able to refund all the last orders straight away, partly my fault but partly due to unforeseen circumstances. But theres a kink of light at the end of the tunnel now.

I believe Andrew has made a new set of molds from the Saturn bodywork and will be supplying bodywork in his spare time for something to do ( and I dare say to get a break from the kids!!). But that’s down to him, I wish him the best of luck and im sure he will be along shortly.

Now… its very easy to knock a man when hes not around to defend himself so now im back…

Trick kit and mr Barry Pudsey

You told me that your Saturn body kit was completely rubbish and that it was completely unusable. I originally told you that I would replace the panels and take away the “rubbish” set. When I arrived at your address, after driving 400 miles in good faith I found that the only panel that was crap was the scuttle, where the matting hadn’t been pushe right into the corner and the gel had cracked. Which by the way is sometimes easily overlooked, especially as you were rushing Andrew to get the original kit finished before Christmas. Every other panel looked absolutely fine. There will always be slight imperfections in something that is hand made, you showed yourself how small imperfections were in your photos, there were a few dots of dust no bigger than the tip of a sharpened pencil in the gelcoat.
Never the less I allowed you to keep all of the panels and I kept only the bonnet, again this was a good item. So what you have against me personnaly I don’t know. And Mr trickkit, I have never met you so how you got that remark from “the horses mouth” I don’t know

I tried my very best to please everyone I dealt with, and I had a lot of happy customers (over 120 in six months worth of trading. 301 fabricated parts and 126 off the shelf products. I had 12 transactions in this time which had complaints). Im not perfect, and I admit there have been a few unhappy people, namely the ones waiting for a refund which is understandable, but slowly but surely im sorting them out. There has also been one or two bad eggs that have taken me for a ride, but im not going into that now I have always preferred to deal face to face rather than air dirty laundry in public, iv lost my temper on here in the past due to provocation but thats all water under the bridge now.

You can slag me off, but Im the one who gave up a great career to give it a go, i tried my best and i couldnt make it work financially, im not a business man and never will be. But I gave it a go, i took the risk, i take the consequences. May I ask what you have done apart from constantly knocking those that "do". Remember there are two kinds of people, those that do a good job and those that talk a good job.

Kind regards to all

Nathan

Well that pissed on the fireworks of that bitchfest:) :rolleyes:

Bob

It's a philosophical issue. On the one hand, hand made products will have some imperfections, on the other hand, the most perfect show cars (also, knives, mirrors, art, etc) are a result of meticulous manual work. We were led to believe we are to expect show-car-like perfection, and we clearly were not getting it.

I never led anyone to believe my products were of "show car quality", i think my grainy crappy photography proves that one:D

I bought a full set of panels when Andy was running Saturn. I was never told that the finish would be perfect. There were some marks on some panels but to me that was obvious of a hand made part.
On a side note I work in the aerospace interior industry, we use a lot of hand laid up composites which cost astronomical amounts, and guess what ? The quality is crap, and that's from a host of different suppliers.
Alga, I think if thats the sort of quality you are looking for maybe you should be investing 20,000 plus in a Caterham ?:eek:

Its good to see you back on the Forum Nathan and I hope the family issues are all settling down mate.

Welcome back Nathan

I will most likely go for the Saturn bodykit now as soon as am ready for it.

I remember when Spud was selling off the seconds and people were comenting on how good the quality was!

David

Welcome back nathan

To all you people with negative comments about nathan my personal experience with him is that he is a friendly and helpful chap and he did deserve to succeed with nts however as I also know when you work too much you sacrifice in other areas he is still working on doing the right thing and all the people who where let down will still be satisfied in the end but remember he has not got the business or the income to do it all in the next 10 mins so please be patent with him he has gone through enough stress without everyone here giving him a hard time

Just my thoughts

Welcome back Nathan i'ts great to see you back on the forum. I've never had any dealings with NTS but if the quality was as good as saturn then I don't know what the problem is. OK Saturn wasn't perfect but it was good enough for me, I know I couldn't have done half as well as Spud.

Caterhams body work is only as flawless as its mainly ali and then painted. I would never expect that from a gelcoat finish.

I also welcome Nat back and will say that if you want an immaculate "show" car
go ask some one who has built to that standard ....I would be shocked to find any that do not have at least several 000's not 00's on their build costs remember this is the book that came after "build your own sports car for £250"
ALL the body work suppliers are giving you the option of the complete body for less than a grand, the time saving aspect alone of this is absolutely immense....give all these guys a break eh.....go make your own if you are not satisfied then show one of yours next to theirs (this decade) and I will eat a banana in front of them:confused:

Interesting thread,
Welcome back Nathan hope stuffs better for you now.

Must admit I struggled to know what to expect when it comes down to quality of fibreglass stuff.
£800 is a lot money to me but not much for the time it takes to make the panels. How picky should we be? and what should you expect for that money?
Some people will want better than others.
I'm a picky buggar but don't often moan honest!

But I'm happy with the quality of the AGM kit, its white so any marks/specs in the gel coat would show, but it's absolutely spot on, I just got the impression the guy really knew how to make FG bodywork (note the design and how well it fits the chassis is the other peice of the puzzle). Hence I think the quality can be there for the money. But is that a suprise if he's been making bodywork for different race cars for a long while and its what he does?

If you go to someone who is trying to make everything and is new to it add to that rushing around due to being really busy you may get more varied results (fair play for giving it a try though).

I think the only real fair test is to look at a suppliers promo/demo work that they advertise if yours doesn't look near to that I'd have an issue. (this can be difficult to do in practise though)

The finish on any fibreglass panel is a reflection of the mold. Molds with imperfections will just relay them to the job. Invest in the mold,iron out the bugs and hey presto top quality products. Its not firking rocket science.Sounds like spud has had a sort out and is back on the case so good luck to him. I wish him all the best. The geography plays a big part in all this because the hairy arsed postal/courrier employees like to play parcel football with everything , for this reason alone I will look for the nearest supplier so that I get to collect and inspect prior to accepting the goods. Saves on the whodunnit and ensuing blamefest later on. Watch out equinox:eek: :eek:

Bob

i also think customer services plays a big part:confused:

Andy's parts have been repeatedly described as "top notch", "highest quality", "brilliant", "perfect", etc, by forum members. My expectations were mostly set by this feedback.

As a matter of fact, I'm not. Trim, finish and detailing is not my forte, that's one of the reasons why I abandoned the efforts of making my own GRP bodywork, and paid money to people who are supposed to be good at it.
I would be fully satisfied with any reasonable job. Problem is, 8 months later I'm still stuck with panels that "do look crap" by Nathan's own admission.