cheers sean will give those a try and see what the costs are, where i work gets gas (usualy acetyline) from a place just down the road but i think they only do the huge bottles but there meant to be cheap, dont really have the space for a massive bottle at the moment.
cheers for the offer andy but i dont like borrowing things off people because i have some daft, careless friends which are in the garage with me most of the time re-building motorbike engines and wot'not and i simply dont trust them with gasses of any sort (especialy when its not mine), thats why theres a padlock or 2 on the cupboard with acetyline in it
been on the phone to a local steel supplier today, they are coming back to me with some prices on full lengths but they have a couple of scrap bins which they will let people rummage through for a small charge so im off to check that out tomorrow so hopefully some cheap steel (mainly for welding practice and another little project) will be coming my way
had a bit of a play with the welder yesterday evening and im majorly!!! out of practice so before i start cutting up and "trying" to weld paid for steel i neeeeeed more practice.