New components for the Roadster

[mr henderson]

Maybe Caterham owners might be OK with those pricing levels, but I can't see anybody else doing anything other than laughing, TBH. OBP sell a pedal box complete with master cylinders, reservoirs and balance bar for £303.

I think you need to start doing some market research and some cost engineering.

[DRCorsa Engineering]

Originally Posted by mr henderson

Maybe Caterham owners might be OK with those pricing levels, but I can't see anybody else doing anything other than laughing, TBH. OBP sell a pedal box complete with master cylinders, reservoirs and balance bar for £303.

I think you need to start doing some market research and some cost engineering.

You're right, it's a lot of money comparing to the OBP solution.
But honestly, they are 2 totally different products. I know that OBP makes some very good products but i asm not targeting them. I want to get into the AP Racing - Tilton league. And if you want to be totally honest my pedalbox is more comparable to those. And take a loot at their prices.

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Motorsport/Braking/Pedal_Box_Assemblies_&_Balance_Bars/Tilton_Universal_Floor_Mount_3_Pedal_Lightweight_A ssembly/1723/0/40917

http://www.demon-tweeks.co.uk/Motors...mbly/1723/6298

[mr henderson]

Originally Posted by DRCorsa Engineering

I know that OBP makes some very good products but i asm not targeting them. I want to get into the AP Racing - Tilton league. And if you want to be totally honest my pedalbox is more comparable to those. And take a loot at their prices.

Not really the best forum for you then, what you need is-


http://www.wevegotlotsofmoneyanddont...it.co.uk/forum

[Talonmotorsport]

Thats a very nice looking piece of kit you have designed. Do you have any of these made up or do you only have the CAD rendering? Looking at what you have there in laser cut parts (which could be made cheaper with out the holes every where) against the prices I've been given for my lastest order of 3mm work, I'd say theres £50 of laser cut components, £20 male and female rose joints, £36 ball race bearings, £20 springs , 2 hours of assembly welding @ £30per hour and £30-40 powder coat. Add your profit to each unit and £300 a go is not a bad price. Not sure you will have many takers for those that are trying to built their cars for less than £2000 but then you can't sell every thing to every body! There are builders that will spend £500-600 on a new set of wheels and tyres but not £360 on coilovers and springs.
The other way to look at your design, although it does look good is that it is perhaps more complicated that it needs to be?
The very best of luck with your products but please bare in mind that you are trying to sell to people that are either 'building a sports car on a budget' or the other place I'm guessing we'll find you is on 'locost builders' who are trying to build cars for nearly FREE.

[DRCorsa Engineering]

Originally Posted by Talonmotorsport

Thats a very nice looking piece of kit you have designed. Do you have any of these made up or do you only have the CAD rendering? Looking at what you have there in laser cut parts (which could be made cheaper with out the holes every where) against the prices I've been given for my lastest order of 3mm work, I'd say theres £50 of laser cut components, £20 male and female rose joints, £36 ball race bearings, £20 springs , 2 hours of assembly welding @ £30per hour and £30-40 powder coat. Add your profit to each unit and £300 a go is not a bad price. Not sure you will have many takers for those that are trying to built their cars for less than £2000 but then you can't sell every thing to every body! There are builders that will spend £500-600 on a new set of wheels and tyres but not £360 on coilovers and springs.
The other way to look at your design, although it does look good is that it is perhaps more complicated that it needs to be?
The very best of luck with your products but please bare in mind that you are trying to sell to people that are either 'building a sports car on a budget' or the other place I'm guessing we'll find you is on 'locost builders' who are trying to build cars for nearly FREE.

Hi and thanks for your comments.
Yes, i have made a pedalbox for a friend's Locost but that was the first design, the one you see in the renderings is the updated and improved design. I am building one at the moment for a Locost owner in the USA, so i will attach some pictures when i have it ready.
For your cost estimations you are not far away, add to that the lathe work it needs.
I know the cost is high for a Locost low budget car, but again a quality item is expensive for a reason. Yes, it may be a bit complicated but can you make a bellcrank without using ball bearings? Can you make it without using rose joints? Can you make a nice job if you dont use a lathe at all, just by using pipe cutoffs for the bush tubes?
I might develop a simpler version if this design is not selling but i am not the man who will drop the quality level in order to sell cheap things. Thanks again!

Here's is the first version of the pedalbox in my friend's car.



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[DRCorsa Engineering]

I don't see why you are so aggressive with me.
Anyway, i would like to get comments on the design of the pedalbox. If people like the design of the product i could make a pretty good offer/discount.
But i will not drop the quality level of the product.
There is simply no product with a double bellcrank system working of 4 quality Japanese ball bearings and rod ends, with throttle and clutch spring loaded pedals, with travel stop for both pedals at this price tag.
And there is no manufacturer willing to work with you to make the product to fill your personal requirements.
If this seems expensive to you then you are free to buy a OBP pedalbox. But if you buy an AP Racing or Tilton you will certainly not throw your money away. There is some reason why expensive products are expensive.

[les g]

Hi there
your pedal box looks quite superb
in fact a lovely piece of engineering
unfortunately its priced above my budget and probably
a bit over specc... for my build
i wish you luck with your project and hope you find a market for it
it would more likely appeal to the high end kitcar builders
gt40./lola 70./cobras./caterham etc
perhaps get your product along to a show and visit some of the stands
cheers les g

[mr henderson]

Originally Posted by DRCorsa Engineering

I don't see why you are so aggressive with me.

Hardly aggressive, taking the pee, maybe, but not agressive at all

Originally Posted by DRCorsa Engineering

Anyway, i would like to get comments on the design of the pedalbox. If people like the design of the product i could make a pretty good offer/discount.

If you want comments on the design, you will have to do better than a couple of CAD renderings, one of each product, how are we supposed to see the design from those. Any pictures of the real thing or is this just an idea you've had?


As my learned friends have pointed out, stuff like your is well out of context on this forum, where people are not choosing to spend big bucks on components such as you are offering.

There are other, more suitable forums where people are choosing to make bigger budgets available but then I expect you will find they are being supplied with all the necessary bits by their kit manufacturers.

You've obviously got some good CAD skills, and should you choose to use those to create designs which are more appropriate I shall look forward to seeing them.

[DRCorsa Engineering]

Originally Posted by mr henderson

Hardly aggressive, taking the pee, maybe, but not agressive at all



If you want comments on the design, you will have to do better than a couple of CAD renderings, one of each product, how are we supposed to see the design from those. Any pictures of the real thing or is this just an idea you've had?


As my learned friends have pointed out, stuff like your is well out of context on this forum, where people are not choosing to spend big bucks on components such as you are offering.

There are other, more suitable forums where people are choosing to make bigger budgets available but then I expect you will find they are being supplied with all the necessary bits by their kit manufacturers.

You've obviously got some good CAD skills, and should you choose to use those to create designs which are more appropriate I shall look forward to seeing them.

I appreciate all of your comments, although a bit aggressive.
I will take into account your suggestions. Thanks a lot!

[HandyAndy]

Welcome to the forum

Like other members have said, your products look very nice , without doubt, a precision bit of engineering,

BUT

On a personal level the cost would be very prohibitive, with the general ethos of why most builders are building this car ( Roadster ), the "Book" gives a detailed drawing of how to make ones own pedal box that is functional & relatively inexpensive to make, or there are others suppliers that supply the completed item, but with all due respect, almost a third of the price of your part, without compromising quality & function of use etc.

In all honesty, the price of your pedal box would be 10% of my total "on the road" build cost, which I couldn,t justify on my build.

I wish you well with your venture but think you are targeting the wrong market with these products, after all , the book we all build from is titled "Build your own sports car on a budget" admittedly it doesn,t state a budget level but £299 for a pedal box is even more than the title of the original book by Ron Champion "Build a sports car for £250", ( I know that its nigh on impossible to achieve ) but hope you see the relevance of the quote.

cheers
andy