LIMITED OFFER: Roadster Chassis £645 inc. VAT

[clydeautomarine]

LIMITED OFFER: Haynes Roadster chassis - £645.00 inc VAT

That's right folks, as you may have seen on Locostbuilders we're now building Haynes Roadster chassis' and offering them at a highly competitive, credit-crunching £645.00 inc. VAT.

These chassis' are TIG welded to the very highest standards and accuracy on a steel production jig table, by professional, coded welders.

Part-finished:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/upload/03022009019.jpg

Rear end work in progress:
http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/upload/08022009032.jpg

You cannot get quality like this for this price! Which is why it's a limited, introductory offer so get in quick.

This price will apply to the first 20 orders received with deposits (30%).

Look out for our other offers on suspension and GRP components.

[drury318]

Before you go any further I think you may have one of the tubes in the wrong place?? One of the uprights??

[clydeautomarine]

Could you kindly point it out, please?

Thanks,
Steve.

[deezee]

I'm guessing he's referring to the one that makes up the drivers footwell. The two uprights are in different positions, as the drivers footwell is a little wider for the pedal box.

I don't have the book to hand, so I don't know the tube name.

EDIT: I added the photo of my chassis for clarity. Both items circled

http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3330/3345865601_e84372d91b_o.jpg http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3646/3345865655_3430906024_o.jpg

[clydeautomarine]

Yep, we moved that. The photo's an early one; the chassis should be 99% complete by Sunday (15/03/09) so there will an updated photo of it posted at that point (with all the detrious cleared from the jig table!).

Thanks,
Steve.

[mark smith]

it might sounds stupid but if you are trying to sell these as top quality, shouldn't you make sure everything is right before you put up a post

[Bonzo]

it might sounds stupid but if you are trying to sell these as top quality, shouldn't you make sure everything is right before you put up a post


Agreed. ;)

A good tidy up in the production area would portray a more professional image too :confused:

Kettle calling the pot black. Yes for shure. My working environment is an absolute pig sty. :o

On the other hand, I am not offering my services to paying customers. ;)

[MightyMouth]

If you would have posted this 2 weeks ago you would have had an order from me. Maybe on my second car. :)

[clydeautomarine]

Well, we got slated for NOT having a photo so I guess we can't win.

I'm happy to let the quality of our product do the talking and a lot less concerned about a brief snap-shot of a busy workshop.

[Spikehaus]

Ha Ha,

We are an eclectic bunch and small community on the Haynes Forum, unlike the Locost site. I bet if we put all the finished Haynes Roadsters in one place we may be hard pushed to fill a the Torpoint Ferry and still have room to play 5 a side football! LOL

Good luck breaking into the market, but you have some stiff competition! Sure a few of us have been looked after by 3g

[jasongray5]

Well, we got slated for NOT having a photo so I guess we can't win.

I'm happy to let the quality of our product do the talking and a lot less concerned about a brief snap-shot of a busy workshop.

To be fair, I think people were only trying to be helpfull...?

[Bonzo]

Certainly no offence meant on my part. :o :o

Here in the West country, we are lucky enough to have two of the best companies in todays market. :)

[mr henderson]

So where's the pictures (of the finished chassis) then?

[AshG]

So where's the pictures (of the finished chassis) then?


stop stiring you :D

[mr henderson]

stop stiring you :D

Is there some kind of story attached to this offer then? If so I was absolutely unaware of it, and would be interested to know what is going on.

I must say that the price is a little on the low side, and if VAT is coming out of it as well (there being very litle input VAT to reclaim on a price that is at least 75% labour) then I'm would not be surprised if he or they had decided not to go ahead.

The TIG welding wouldn't be helping the profit figures either.

Anyway, if there is a story then I am all ears

[clydeautomarine]

Finished chassis (this is no.2 just out of powder coating):

http://photos-a.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs170.snc1/6400_112727658162_596958162_2365800_5279606_n.jpg
http://photos-g.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs170.snc1/6400_112727643162_596958162_2365798_4630886_n.jpg
http://photos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs170.snc1/6400_112727648162_596958162_2365799_295871_n.jpg

Please direct enquiries via PM or e-mail (quicker response).

Please note that the original offer at the head of this thread has now expired.

Steve.

[fabbyglass]

Funny old game "kit cars" and the folk involved are even funnier I know cos I'm one weird git.:confused:

[fabbyglass]

Wahey they look alright:cool: are they tig welded?

[clydeautomarine]

85% of the welds are TIG'd - unfortunately we couldn't do all of them due to access in certain areas of the chassis.

[mr henderson]

Please note that the original offer at the head of this thread has now expired.



So what's the new price then?

[clydeautomarine]

£850 + vat & delivery

Price includes powder coating

[Talonmotorsport]

was just going to ask that myself...

[mr henderson]

Have you already sold 20 then (at the offer price) ? I can't imagine them flying out the door at £332.50 more.

[clydeautomarine]

The offer was limited. It's duration was open ended and would terminate at our discretion. It has now terminated because at that incredible price, it wasn't sustainable.

Now that we have production jigs we can turn an order around fairly quickly (within 4 weeks from date of order).

[HandyAndy]

85% of the welds are TIG'd - unfortunately we couldn't do all of them due to access in certain areas of the chassis.

your chassis,s look very nice indeed,:cool:
may i ask..... the colour of powder coating, is white the colour you,ll be supplying them in or are those 2 chassis,s colour a customer request?

they look white on my screen, tho maybe they are silver?

cheers
andy

[clydeautomarine]

Powder coating can be any colour you require, providing it's stocked. Those chassis' are white to customer spec'. Both were just out of the oven, I'll get better pic's posted later next week.

[HandyAndy]

they do look very smart,
nice one :cool:

the more Roadsters on the road the better.

cheers
andy:)

[mr henderson]

the more Roadsters on the road the better.



I think for that to happen what is needed is people to sell a complete kit, just buying a chassis still leaves people with the problem of where to buy the other bits- wishbones, rollover bar, uprights etc.

The secret of selling is not to give customers problems such as where to buy all the other bits, but to take the problems away, in exchange for their money.

[clydeautomarine]

We do all the bodywork and suspension too.

Our web-site will carry more details of this shortly, but we've been selling arches and nose cones for this quite successfully for quite a few months now (on EBAY).

[mr henderson]

We do all the bodywork and suspension too.

Our web-site will carry more details of this shortly, but we've been selling arches and nose cones for this quite successfully for quite a few months now (on EBAY).

You should put in some links- to the website and the ebay stuff. I had a quick look on ebay just now and couldn't find you (under body parts in the kit car parts section)

[HandyAndy]

I think for that to happen what is needed is people to sell a complete kit, just buying a chassis still leaves people with the problem of where to buy the other bits- wishbones, rollover bar, uprights etc.

The secret of selling is not to give customers problems such as where to buy all the other bits, but to take the problems away, in exchange for their money.

thats one of the MAIN thoughts behind my venture, i wanted to be able to offer a kit that pretty much made it easier for a new (maybe inexperienced )
builder the chance to build a Roadster.

basically to be able to buy a either a full donor or parts & to get their Roadster to the "rolling" stage quite quickly & easily.

i do wish Clydeautomarine the very best of success in the Roadster "world",
& that is said sincerely.:)

cheers
andy

[mr henderson]

thats one of the MAIN thoughts behind my venture, i wanted to be able to offer a kit that pretty much made it easier for a new (maybe inexperienced )
builder the chance to build a Roadster.

basically to be able to buy a either a full donor or parts & to get their Roadster to the "rolling" stage quite quickly & easily.

i do wish Clydeautomarine the very best of success in the Roadster "world",
& that is said sincerely.:)

cheers
andy

Will you be offering a rollover bar as well? Reason I ask is I don't know of anyone offering one so the customer is still going to have a problem, and unless someone does offer one, they aren't going to be able to finish the car.

[HandyAndy]

i don,t wish to Hijack clydeautomarine,s thread,

but i,m in the process of arranging a supplier of the main roll hoop at the moment,

cheers
andy:)

[RAYLEE29]

How much is your chassis going to be john?
Ray:)

[mr henderson]

How much is your chassis going to be john?
Ray:)

Do you mean me? I'm not planning to offer one, there would be little point when Andy is supplying at such good prices, and as I said before, I am more likely to be a buyer than a seller. Pretty busy with the kitfinishing at the moment, though.

[RAYLEE29]

Sorry John but i am confused as you posted a thread which said and i quote:
Having gone to all this trouble, and having become recently aware of the difficulty in obtaining a ready-made chassis, I am now wondering if I should offer ready-made chassis to others. In order to know how much to ask, though, I have to know just what I am going to be supplying, in other words, just what is a complete chassis?
This was copied and pasted from a previous post. My question was a genuine one as you had said you were going to do this yourself and i was wondering what prices people actually charge in different areas and if there is a market and good profit margin in making chassis and selling them on.
I have already said on here that I was thinking of offering chassis and parts for sale myself and now i can see there seems to be at least 3 different people offering chassis at varying prices and states of completion from a little over £300 to nearly a grand but still noone in the south west. you come across as being very knowledgable about the profit margin available so that is why i asked what you would be charging
Ray:)

[AshG]

sorry to chuck a spaner in the works but your engine mounts are wrong. they should be set square. will post a picture up in the moning to show what i mean.

[RAYLEE29]

something like this
not exactly to the book but similar:)

[mr henderson]

Sorry John but i am confused as you posted a thread which said and i quote:
Having gone to all this trouble, and having become recently aware of the difficulty in obtaining a ready-made chassis, I am now wondering if I should offer ready-made chassis to others. In order to know how much to ask, though, I have to know just what I am going to be supplying, in other words, just what is a complete chassis?
This was copied and pasted from a previous post. My question was a genuine one as you had said you were going to do this yourself and i was wondering what prices people actually charge in different areas and if there is a market and good profit margin in making chassis and selling them on.
I have already said on here that I was thinking of offering chassis and parts for sale myself and now i can see there seems to be at least 3 different people offering chassis at varying prices and states of completion from a little over £300 to nearly a grand but still noone in the south west. you come across as being very knowledgable about the profit margin available so that is why i asked what you would be charging
Ray:)



Indeed, but I did also say



Oh, and by the way, if anyone knows of somebody who is already selling a complete chassis (and which is available within a reasonable length of time) I would be very interested, and would simply buy one and cancel my own chassis-making plans and get on with my car building plans.



and that's what I've done, I've cancellled my own chassis making plans and am getting on with my car building plans.

In my case the profit margin wasn't going to be so good as I would need to get a skilled welder in to do the final welding, and in any case chassis making alongside customer car assembly isn't ideal, there's the need to keep grinding dust etc away from the other cars.

It just depends on the set-up. I am paying quite a reasonable amount of rent for quite a big workshop and am able to get as many cars as I want to work on at £18 an hour (which helps to cover the rent and other costs). I doubt I could match that on chassis making at prices that would compete with HandyAndy's.

If I wasn't so busy with customer cars I would have already placed an order with him.

[Talonmotorsport]

If any body on here is looking to buy a chassis I can supply a basic chassis with transmission tunnel,suspension mounts,full wish bone set less bushes, engine mounts,seat belt anchors,stearing collumn and rack mounts for £650.
Delivery or collection 10 days after 20% deposit paid.
As for any body selling any thing on ebay the very best of luck to you.

[Bonzo]

sorry to chuck a spaner in the works but your engine mounts are wrong. they should be set square. will post a picture up in the moning to show what i mean.

That made me rush out & look. Then have a re-read of the book

I am guilty as charged :o

Fair cop gov, I did it all :D

Just as well, I don't think it will make any difference to the load bearing properties of the mount.

I can see now what I have done. Made the mounts square instead of turning the top plates around :confused:

That's the trouble with fabricating on auto pilot, logical assembly is not always the case.

At least I don't have to get the grinder out ;)

[mr henderson]

If any body on here is looking to buy a chassis I can supply a basic chassis with transmission tunnel,suspension mounts,full wish bone set less bushes, engine mounts,seat belt anchors,stearing collumn and rack mounts for £650.
Delivery or collection 10 days after 20% deposit paid.
As for any body selling any thing on ebay the very best of luck to you.


That is a very good deal. What about the essential roll-over bar, though? I think you should include it and adjust the price upwards accordingly, or at least list it as an available extra.

I'm going to guess that the reason that the original poster (Clydeautomarine) is asking such a high price is that he is thinking in terms of what would be a good return for the labour and materials he is expending.

What is clear to people who read this forum all the time (and I suspect that the OP does not) is that other people such as Talon and Handy have a less expensive set-up, or work faster, or are prepared to work for less money.

If the Clydeautomarine people had been reading here regularly they would have known that asking £977.50 for a bare chassis(even though that does include powder coating) was the equivalent of ****** the ****.

[fabbyglass]

I agree with you on ebay.....unless it's cheaper than cheap things just don't sell anymore that's why I gave up with it.

One snag can arise with folk offering such varied prices...and that's a high street price war and one I don't intend to get involved in. I have seen seats similar to mine at £35 a pair cheaper and even been asked If I would knock mine down.......sooner give up than work for nothing and be a busy idiot.
They are cheaper because made in bigger numbers and also made differently, mine are made to order and quite labour intensive due to the way they are made.

Good luck to anyone taking the plunge.

[RAYLEE29]

I have to agree thats a lot of money, if anyone wants to buy my chassis for £700 without p/coating come on round and ill make another lol.
as for the issue of the engine mounts I got my phone out quick to check and was relieve I hadnt made the same mistake.
on reflection though im sure it wont make any difference as long as the mount rubber can be put in the right place.
and i certainly wouldnt change it if id had my chassis powdercoated
but if i were making a business of chassis building i would check check and check again and possibly get somone esle to check too before putting up for sale.
on the other hand these are customer chassis and its possible the customer specified a different specification.
and finally it still looks nice :)

[fabbyglass]

I wouldn't do the engine mounts like that anyway, there is a much easier way that lets you position your engine/box where you want it even after powder coating and all that's needed are two holes drilling......simples.

[flyerncle]

Can you buy a cheap Porsche,Bentley,Ferrari,Lambo,No can you hell as like.
If you buy cheap expect crap and dont be dissapointed with what you get,as Fabby says bespoke goods are made to order and cost's are in respect of time spent and labour intensive.
My dad was a tailor and made suits for customers that fitted and cost £300/400 pounds,you get what you pay for.

[mr henderson]

,you get what you pay for.

I think I see what you arre getting at, and I'm not trying to go against it, but that saying does rather suggest that if you pay more you get better stuff, and that's not always true. For instance, right on this very thread we've got a bare chassis (with powder coat) at £977.50 against a chassis (without powder coat) but with other bits for very much less. If we go by the "get what you pay for" saying then we have to assume that the Clydeautomarine chassis is very much better. I would be VERY surprised if that turned out to be true.

[fabbyglass]

Yes you do get what you pay for but also there are folk that produce things that should cost a lot more.
At the end of the day there is a set of plans to make the chassis and folk are happy with a 900 quid chassis....when it comes to the body work it's a different bag of onions because there are NO drawings to work from so a shape has to be made then painted then moulded yet folk say bodywork is expensive...:confused:


Best I crawl back under my rock, feeling sorry for myself today as twatted my wrist and scuppered myself for a good few days:mad:

[flyerncle]

Not picking holes in anything or with anyone and my moto is "expect nothing and you wont be dissapointed" and without seeing the goods pictures do not show off the goods to their best,look at Jordan,(no thanks).
People make things for a good reason,self satisfaction (Roadster,I made this!)
for other people (sale) and the old cherry Profit.

You only have to read this forum and a zillion others and you get the same old same old every time,people are entitled to their opinion right or wrong.

My point is,look at what you are getting/buying and if it pleases you and is what you require buy it.
Caveat Emptor if I remember correctly is latin for "Buyer Beware do I need to say more...........

And this is not aimed at or near any individual for any reason and the vendors that frequent the site/forum by their own admission are genuinely involved in the product/manufacture.

The cost is a premium factor of course but who is to say that a chassis from north of Watford for a larger amount is better than one from the southern regions for a lesser amount
again I have no axe to grind and really dont give a toss,choice is exactly that !
Flack awaited....

[HandyAndy]

No flack required Paul, your words/comments are spot on.

whilst i,m not going to go into my pricing structure, i feel the prices i have quoted offer a service to supply a chassis kit at a price that covers my costs etc & a little more to cover my time & enable me to hopefully develop my venture.

i sincerely wish anyone that offers similar kit/kits the very best of luck & success in their venture & i am sure the customer base is strong enough to make their own choice of supplier from their own reasoning.

best regards
andy:)

[mr henderson]

Yes you do get what you pay for

That's a saying that sounds good, but tells so much less than the truth that is really not a lot of use (to put it politely :) ).

There are all sorts of examples of situations where paying more doesn't get you anything extra, and in many cases may even be less. Equally there are examples where paying more does get you something extra.

The quality or value of any products or sevices CANNOT be assessed by checking the price, but that's exactly what that saying suggests, it suggests that if you pay more you get more, and although that is often true it is not always true.

Let's take the examples we have already seen on this thread, now, anybody who uses that saying is going to suppose that the more expensive chassis it the better one. I reckon that they, and that saying, will both be wrong.

[fabbyglass]

Anyone want to buy some moulds and a website to sell them on....?:rolleyes:

[clydeautomarine]

You haven't been able to find us because the shop's currently in 'holiday' mode, which means the listings are removed for that period. I don't plan to put anything back on until we clear the back-log of orders we have for bodywork (and amongst other things we need to sort out the bodywork on a Lancia Stratos replica rally car, and finish the build of a Cobra kit-car that's going to run on hydrogen fuel).

The ebay shop can be found here: http://stores.shop.ebay.co.uk/Clyde-Auto-and-Marine-Ltd__W0QQ_armrsZ1

Once it's back online it'll carry bodywork, chassis, and suspension items for the Haynes Roadster and Locost, as will our web-site store.

Our web-site is www.clydeautomarine.co.uk

[mr henderson]

Anyone want to buy some moulds and a website to sell them on....?:rolleyes:

PM sent (but don't get excited)

[clydeautomarine]

We do offer a roll-hoop, yes.

The two chassis that are displayed were for a customer order for 2 kits, consisting of all suspension wishbones, floor, 6-piece bodywork, roll-hoop, chassis, and all the bushes and inserts for the 'bones, plus the nuts and bolts to hold them on.

As I said, all of this will appear soon on both our EBay store and our web-site.

Our prices reflect the quality of the items we sell and ensure it's worth our while doing it.

[clydeautomarine]

thats one of the MAIN thoughts behind my venture, i wanted to be able to offer a kit that pretty much made it easier for a new (maybe inexperienced )
builder the chance to build a Roadster.

basically to be able to buy a either a full donor or parts & to get their Roadster to the "rolling" stage quite quickly & easily.

i do wish Clydeautomarine the very best of success in the Roadster "world",
& that is said sincerely.:)

cheers
andy

Thanks Andy. Same to you! ;)

[HandyAndy]

Thanks Andy. Same to you! ;)

thanks, :)

andy