Zetec question!!

[Tedridge45]

I'm looking for a donor there seems to be a lot more zetecs available than pinto's (I don't like CVH) so now i'm thinking about going for a Zetec, my thoughts are: will I have a problem with the steering extension shaft, which throttle boddies to use as the injecton system is quite large, what sort of money will the new injection set up cost and can I use the original wireing? is it worth the grief or shall I stick to looking for a pinto?
I'm an old school type and like to stick to simple systems that dont go wrong like the pinto so your thoughts will be appreciated.

[deezee]

I just asked the same question on LocostBuilders.co.uk . Rough answer is you'll need new sump, water rail, clutch, flywheel, throttle bodies, inlet manifold, megasquirt / megajolt ECU and some other little bits. It seems to cost most people around £750 to mate it up to a type 9 bell housing.

Original Zetec wiring seems to be pretty useless. But its not like 2.0 Pinto (100Bhp) or 2.0 Zetec (135Bhp) are the only choices. Have you considered a 1.6 RS Turbo (140Bhp)? 2.0 Vauxhall C20XE Redtop (150Bhp)? 1.6 Toyota 4AGE (160Bhp).

The Pinto is easy to install, and loads of tuning parts are available for it. But its going to cost around another £500 to get it to 150Bhp.

[shadowcaster]

How about a

[jasongray5]

Do the right thing and put and go BEC!

[spud69]

Do the right thing and put and go BEC!

NAH, bike engines are for bikes.

Just built my roadster and cvh engine packed in after a week so have placed a 2.0l zetec on bike carbs and megajolt. Its completely transformed the car, just what it needs. The good thing about the cvh then zetec is the cvh is much more straight forward, easier to pass sva on emmissions and a lot of the cvh parts can be used in the transfer to zetec. All i had to buy was:

2.0l zetec 46k - £110
zx6r bike carbs - £45
carb mounting rubbers £30
inlet flange - £15
zx6r fuel pump - £30
megajolt lt v4 - £180

£410

You can make a lot of the bits yourself including the manifold, saves £200

Proper revving meaty engine....:D :D :D :D

[adrianreeve]

I'm with Spud. My Zetec install has cost me:

£160 for 2l engine and gearbox - including modified sump.
£20 for water pump
£10 for inlet manifold flange
£35 for throttle bodies
£30 for 1.8l flywheel and clutch (also came with free brand new alternator - lucky me!)
£100 for tuned length stainless exhaust manifold.

Still got to buy ecu, but I reckon I'll end up with 160-170 reliable bhp for less than £600 - good value if you ask me!

Just my two pennies worth!

Cheers

Adrian

[greasemonkey]

hi adrian,

where did you buy your exhaust manifold from?

regards

lee

[Coozer]

This is getting asked a lot atm..

Mine was like this..

1.8 Escort Engine £200
Bike carbs £35
Megajolt £95
1.8 Mondeo Clutch £20 (ebay)
Inlet manifold £0.00, made it myself
2.0L cams £30
DOHC Starter motor £10

You need the Edis and coil pack, VR sensor (all came with my engine) and a different alternator bracket.

Easiest is a 1.8 from an Escort, no sump chopping mods etc. Water pump goes the right way, flywheel is much thinner/lighter than a 2L one.
Clutch is from a 1.8 Mondeo with a Capri release bearing.

The above gave me 155bhp (flywheel) on the rollers.

Steve:)

[Rik178m]

So the Type 9 gearbox bolts straight on or do you need an adapter?

[pjb]

how many people stick with the original Zetec injection/ECU? surely that'd be easier and cheaper for the budget minded? (just thinking outloud :) )

[adrianreeve]

You'll really struggle to fit the standard unit under the bonnet, and although it's possible, it's not that easy to get the standard ecu to work outside of it's original car.

It's also really restirctive, so most people take the opportunity to release some more power. For the budget-minded, there's bike carb/bodies and megasquirt/jolt.

Cheers

Adrian

[pjb]

Hmmmmmm.... ok I take your point, makes good sense. Which bike carbs are people using? (make/model) and how close is the jetting for initial start up?

For the ignition could you use the CVH coil pack and control unit?

Cheers.

[les g]

hi
as adrian suggests the ford plenum is very tall etc
if you want to use the ford ecu go for a pre pats one ie does not have the chip in the key that one is very easy to use you could make up your own inlet manifold and use the ford plenum but it does seem a lot of work to me

the permutations for fueling are endless the choice is really yours
but age of engine is the most impotant thing to consider ie;
you wont get a late engine through sva/iva on carbs you can only get a pre august 95 engine through on carbs post this date you,ll need fuel injection and a catalytic converter
hth
cheers les g

you,ll need a set of carbs that have a choke size of approx 36mm or bigger cbr 600 upwards seems the norm
kawasaki z9 seem popular you will be best off with aset withthe tps as standard but the choke size is the starting point
a good starting point for jetting seems to be 140 for a 1600 150/160 for a 1800 and so on but you alter cams etc you,ll
have to have tuned on arolling road or diy with a wideband sensor

[carlknight1982]

is it possible to use the 1.8 zetec clutch with the type 9 and the capri release bearing?

[adrianreeve]

Yes it is - it's what Westfield use as standard on their cars, although some say you may get some clutch slip - hope not, as this is the set up I have!

Cheers

Adrian

[les g]

thats what coozer posted on here that he used.
hope he comes back with a part number for the release bearing as i will be using the same set up
cheers les g

[TSM Locost]

Hi Les

According to Quinten Hazell, all Mk2-3 Capri's use the CCT132 release bearing, the only exception is the 1600 pinto up to 1978.

Be Lucky Mike. :D :D

[Coozer]

So the Type 9 gearbox bolts straight on or do you need an adapter?

Type 9 bolts straight on as the bolt pattern is the same as all previous Ford engines.

1.8 Escort flywheel (much thinner/lighter than 2.0) with a pre 98 Mondeo 1.8 clutch, Capri CCt132 release bearing and it all goes together nicely.

Steve

[Coozer]

Hmmmmmm.... ok I take your point, makes good sense. Which bike carbs are people using? (make/model) and how close is the jetting for initial start up?

For the ignition could you use the CVH coil pack and control unit?

Cheers.

I used ZX9R carbs, later ones with TPS, The engine started and ran fine with the standard bike jetting and passed SVA like that. Got mine set up at Bogg Brothers propoerly as the standard jetting gave me nothing above 4K

The BB settings were, mixture screw 4 turns out, needle one groove above middle, mains drilled out to 1.8mm.

And yes i belive the coil pack and unit from a CVH carbed engine can be used.

[Tedridge45]

Thanks for all the feedback chaps I have now found the solution and bought a Kawasaki ZX9R engine! Always fancied the idea of a bike engined car. I don't know much about bike engines but never to late to learn. I got it for £260 almost complete, found the carbs, loom and all the other gizzmo's on ebay so we I'm all set.
Its going to to be quite a challenge!

[antonia800]

how many people stick with the original Zetec injection/ECU? surely that'd be easier and cheaper for the budget minded? (just thinking outloud :) )

and another thought, with the flywheel etc 1.8 cvh flywheel and clutch i gather the same fitment and definately fine for type 9 gearbox keeping things simple then the bit i am not sure about, the front pulley from the 1.8 cvh (needed for the crank sensor) will this fit? then the next bit about which sensor to use will it all work? the theory is there but its the pratice bit that fails!!!! also using the plenum on ebay nice piece of kit which allows the steering through and the standard ecu the thoughts and practical info please. NICE IDEAS END UP IN THE BIN!!!!!

[Coozer]

1.8 zetec flywheel is the way to go. Has the reluctor ring in the back and the VR sensor sits in the block reading the 36-1.

[baz-r]

im def planing on going down the megasquirt route when i go zetec im not sure if just to fit my 1.8 cvh and then change over to a zetec post iva or fit a zetec as i build it up and not mess around :rolleyes:

im finding it real tempting just to buy a brand new crate motor i have seen meny 1.8 blacktops for around £400 and 2l for £600 complete with manifolds injectors coil pack etc. etc. BARGIN

when you add it up buy and used motor then bits to make it work and new cam belt, water pumps and possible even a rebuild its better value and higher resale just to fit a new motor :cool:

thats my take on it anyway :)