2.0 Zetec toType 9

[martin62]

Hi I am looking for some help can someone let me know what I need to match a 2.0 zetec to a type 9 gearbox such as what flywheel/clutch combo and what starter would be required and from which models they come from.The engine I have is a blacktop.Thanks Aidan

[Bonzo]

I think the basics were more or less covered in this recent thread !! :confused: :confused:

http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=4036&page=2

[baz-r]

as far as i know there is more than one way of doing it a birdy told me the other day a 1.8 cvh flywheel reamed out to take zetec bolts fits and is light the down side is no trigger teeth so a toothed wheel needs fitting tho dont quote me on this it could just be a myth

zetec was a devlopement of the cvh tho

i have read a few guides and all say slightly diffrent parts are required
i think mtech had a thing on thair website

[frankie boy]

Hi I am looking for some help can someone let me know what I need to match a 2.0 zetec to a type 9 gearbox such as what flywheel/clutch combo and what starter would be required and from which models they come from.The engine I have is a blacktop.Thanks Aidan

HI
Burton Power do a fly wheel for zetec to type 9 to take standard sierra clutch. It has holes for the crank sensor. You can ues the starter form 1.8 CHV. NOT the cheapest options but makes it easy.

[martin62]

HI
Burton Power do a fly wheel for zetec to type 9 to take standard sierra clutch. It has holes for the crank sensor. You can ues the starter form 1.8 CHV. NOT the cheapest options but makes it easy.

Hi Ronnie mainly what I am wondering what models do I get the parts from ie.do all the parts have to come off

[Coozer]

Standard 1.8 zetec flywheel.
Mondeo 1.8 clutch plate and cover
Ct133 release bearing
Sierra DOHC or CVH starter with some of the ali ribs trimmed off the sump where it fits.

Done to death now, have a look through my blog, that may give you soem idea's.

LG,
Steve

[Bonzo]

I am with you now.

Depend's on your budget realy.

Being as I am a true locoster at heart .... I would head down to my local breakers, get down n dirty & strip the bejesus out of a 1.8 silvertop Escort ( From K to about R reg )

I would have the, clutch, flywheel, alloy sump & engine sandwich plate. At my local yard I would expect to pay about £15-£20 for that lot.

The big downside is the time & effort it will take you to remove the gearbox :(

Flywheel will be a direct fit.

Clutch cover can be re-used if still servicable.
You'll then need to source a clutch friction plate with a 1" 23 spline centre & a CCT133 release bearing.

The sandwich plate can be altered to suit the type 9 box ( Starter on the other side )

If you don't mind the engine sitting a little higher in the engine bay, the sump could be used, as is.
Failing that it needs to be shortened by about 25 - 30 mm.

A 1.8 CVH starter motor will be needed .... Some say that the 2 litre DOHC Sierra one fits but I do not know this for sure !!??
Ebay for the starter or a recon one from a motor factor .... If going the recon route .... save the Escort one & give the facor that one as the exchange unit, they'll not know the difference ;)

I believe the water pump on the 2 litre turns the wrong way ( Due to belt set up ) .... May be worth grabbing the 1.8 Escort one as this is the one you will need.

Spiggot bearing for the flywheel ( Part number in the other thread )

Hey presto, you should have all you need to fit the type 9 box on to a 2 litre Blacktop Zetec engine :cool:

I am sure others will add to this thread .... Bound to have missed a few tricks or a vital bit of advice :D

[martin62]

I am with you now.

Depend's on your budget realy.

Being as I am a true locoster at heart .... I would head down to my local breakers, get down n dirty & strip the bejesus out of a 1.8 silvertop Escort ( From K to about R reg )

I would have the, clutch, flywheel, alloy sump & engine sandwich plate. At my local yard I would expect to pay about £15-£20 for that lot.

The big downside is the time & effort it will take you to remove the gearbox :(

Flywheel will be a direct fit.

Clutch cover can be re-used if still servicable.
You'll then need to source a clutch friction plate with a 1" 23 spline centre & a CCT133 release bearing.

The sandwich plate can be altered to suit the type 9 box ( Starter on the other side )

If you don't mind the engine sitting a little higher in the engine bay, the sump could be used, as is.
Failing that it needs to be shortened by about 25 - 30 mm.

A 1.8 CVH starter motor will be needed .... Some say that the 2 litre DOHC Sierra one fits but I do not know this for sure !!??
Ebay for the starter or a recon one from a motor factor .... If going the recon route .... save the Escort one & give the facor that one as the exchange unit, they'll not know the difference ;)

I believe the water pump on the 2 litre turns the wrong way ( Due to belt set up ) .... May be worth grabbing the 1.8 Escort one as this is the one you will need.

Spiggot bearing for the flywheel ( Part number in the other thread )

Hey presto, you should have all you need to fit the type 9 box on to a 2 litre Blacktop Zetec engine :cool:

I am sure others will add to this thread .... Bound to have missed a few tricks or a vital bit of advice :D

Hi Ronnie your a star as I did not know what car to source the parts from.Thanks Aidan

[Big Vern]

Standard 1.8 zetec flywheel.
Mondeo 1.8 clutch plate and cover
Ct133 release bearing
Sierra DOHC or CVH starter with some of the ali ribs trimmed off the sump where it fits.

Done to death now, have a look through my blog, that may give you soem idea's.

LG,
Steve

Hi Steve,

Have looked at your blog and galleries but theres not much on how you made the clutch system work.

I've tried your combination listed above but couldn't get it to work and ended up machining the flywheel to take Pinto clutch.

How did you get round the release arm hitting the end of the opening in the bellhousing ? Did you cut and shut the release arm and just let the bearing run partly off the first motion shaft cover?

How much clutch slip do you get with 81/2 inch clutch on the ST 170?


BV.

[Coozer]

Mmm, surprised yours didn't work Vern...

I have a 1.8 flywheel with a 1.8 Mondeo clutch, all mated together with what I bought at the time being a Capri release bearing. Turns out to be the CCT133

Standard type 9 release arm which sits nice and doesn't clout anything...

As far as clutch slip goes, not seen any yet. With the ST engine I am prepared for either the clutch to complain or the gearbox to give up, but its all holding up well atm.

This is the same setup I had with my original 1.8 zetec and it works well on my mates MK which has had both 1.8 and 2.0 zetecs in it.

Sorry if my blog doesn't show enough, I'll never make a writer!:) (or anything else come to think of it)

If in doubt ask!

LG,
Steve

[Bonzo]

The action of my clutch is just fine now I have the correct bearing.

1.8 Zetec flywheel & Mk1 Mondeo 1.6/1.8 clutch.

When I first tried it with the relase bearing that was sold to me as a CCT133, the clutch arm was almost touching the bell housing before it released the clutch ( Way too close for comfort )

As it turned out the release bearing sold to me, was in fact the standard CCT132 :rolleyes:

I now have the correct bearing & all is good :)

So, same clutch & flywheel combo as Coozer has works for me :cool:

[Big Vern]

Ok so this is what I've tried in the past:

1.8 Zetec flywheel (the one with the bevelled edge) from '93 car with clutch cover, on stock Sierra type 9 with cast iron bellhousing, and sierra CCT 132 release brg. and got same result as you Ronnie.

Replaced '93 flywheel with '99 flywheel and clutch ( because I had one to hand ) but no different.:mad:

Replaced CCT 132 with CCT 133 but this brg wouldn't fit on first motion cover sleeve as the sleeve was too big! ( Brg intended for 2000e type gearbox with smaller FMC sleeve).:mad: :mad:

Tried Transit CCT 303 but the brg was a bit too big and didn't sit on the clutch cover fingers properly.

Got peed off and machined the Zetec flywheel (as retro ford and 105speed) to take standard Sierra clutch. Weyhey this works good!

Since by this time I had spent way more on parts than a Burton flywheel I could have done that from the start and made my life easy.
But I'd still like to know why the combo everyone else says works wouldn't work for me......:confused:

BV.

[Bonzo]

That is certainly a mystery there BV :confused:

Being as the thing that seemed to be causing you all the grief was the FMC sleeve of the gearbox .... Is it possible, that gearbox started life in a diesel powered Sierra ???

Sold quite a few diesel gearboxes to petrol heads that want a bit more oomph from their ride ;)

One thing for sure, I know what it feels like to end up spending more than you would have done on an off the shelf option :(

I guess that is one of the hazards of dealing with the now elderly Sierra .... Very likely to have some mix'n match components !!

Just for the sake of this thread & future reference

My type 9 gearbox is from a 1991 Sierra estate ( Known to be the original box )

My engine is from a early 1992 1.8 Mk5 Escort hatch, Silvertop Zetec & known to be the cars original engine.

[Big Vern]

Hi Ronnie,
It wasn't the FMS sleeve that was the problem it was the smaller inner of the alleged CCT133! and it happened twice...
First time with a brand new '93 mondeo zetec to an '88 saphine 1.8 pinto type 9 box
then again last year with a '99 black top to an '84 capri type 9.
Both genuine QH release brgs in unopened packaging!
The brgs I was supplied didn't look like the one you have in the picture as CCT133 :confused: I'm not bothered as both times I overcame the problem with a re-machined flywheel which allows the use of the correct RWD clutch and as I'm not using ford running gear for my roadster It'll not be a problem:D

[Bonzo]

Hi BV

I guess that is going to remain one of life's big unsolved mysterys :)

The CCT133 bearing in the picture was also a QH boxed product :confused:

To be Honest, I could have altered the clutch fork to suit the bearing that came with the Mondeo clutch kit as that would have given me enough throw.

When I measured the inside diameter of both bearings with my digital wotsit, They came out the same but when I tried the Mondeo bearing on the input shaft of the gearbox it felt a tiny bit sloppy ;)

At least you are all sorted now & can treat this as one of those Grrrr moments of the build :)

[Coozer]

I must just be lucky, so far 5 zetecs, 3 silvertops and 2 blacktop ST170's... 4 different type 9's all running 1.8 flywheels with Mondeo clutches and Capri bearings.... all went together and worked first time!

LG,
Steve

[alga]

BV, that's really strange. The QH catalogue lists that during the years 74-78 1.6 Capri's had both 22 mm 20 spline shafts and 25.4 mm 23 spline shafts. Both use the same CCT133 bearing! On Cortina this bearing was used only on the 22 mm shaft, but on Capri it was used on both.

P.S. Obviously, Sierra Type9 boxes have the 23 spline, 1" shafts.