Roadster Owners Club

[gingea1pom]

Here (http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=36412&postcount=24) is a start,

There are loads of good ideas doted throughout the thread.

Unfortunately it is a case of sitting back with a coffee and a custard cream and reading through.:o

If people would stop ordering chassis kits of HandyAndy he could get on with writing a covenant, coming up with a set of rules etc, etc. (only kidding):D

Cheers Ginge

[HandyAndy]

Here (http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=36412&postcount=24) is a start,

There are loads of good ideas doted throughout the thread.

Unfortunately it is a case of sitting back with a coffee and a custard cream and reading through.

If people would stop ordering chassis kits of HandyAndy he could get on with writing a covenant, coming up with a set of rules etc, etc. (only kidding)

Cheers Ginge

I think its more a case of a coffee & a family size pack of biscuits :D

There will be more confirmed details of the club posted in the next couple of weeks, so watch this space ;)

Ginge... the mountain of steel is slowly allowing me to see the workshop floor :eek: :D

cheers
andy

[Twin]

Should it be a Roadster Builders Club! then at the meets you can turn up in any car instead of turning up like gingea1poms avatar:p

[HandyAndy]

Should it be a Roadster Builders Club! then at the meets you can turn up in any car instead of turning up like gingea1poms avatar:p

Aha, the choice of the club name did create a lengthy discussion at the meeting held at Stoneleigh, The name that was agreed upon is still awaiting confirmation from Haynes themselves , will keep you all updated when I receive confirmation.

Tho, I must say I rather like Ginge,s avatar, not so sure about his running gear tho :D

cheers
andy

[Bonzo]

It is with deep regret that I wish to stand down as a committee member of the proposed Haynes Sports Car Builders club.

After recent events, namely the appointment of Three committee members to act as Haynes forum moderators.

After re assurances that the Haynes Roadster forum would remain fully independent of any proposed club, it would now seem that the forum is to be controlled by 4 members of the clubs committee.

Personally , I feel that this is a conflict of interest & will ultimately harm the independence of the Haynes forum.
I for one find this unacceptable & wish to be no part of it.

I am still happy to be a club supporter but no longer wish to serve on the proposed committee & wish for my name to be removed from the clubs Committee members as of today.

Perhaps at this stage I may point out that at no time during the decision making process with regards to the appointment of committee members to act as forum admin was I included in the back room dealings.
Never even received an email, phone call or even a PM informing me of things that were so obviously hatched at Stoneleigh .

Perhaps the remaining committee members should take note, it will not bode well for the club if major decisions are taken behind closed doors & without consultation of the membership.

[gingea1pom]

Ronnie,

I am deeply sorry to hear your decision.:(

I think the fact that three committee members are moderators is coincidental I was not party to the decision making process.

There is no conflict of interests, the club will simply be, as WE discussed, a place for like minded individuals to ‘belong’. As a moderator I intend to do just that moderate nothing more nothing less, not to get exited about things and continue to build my car and ask questions on here, maybe make the odd thread sticky or move a tread to a more relevant section.

Who was Chris to consult with when appointing moderators everyone on the forum? He didn’t consult ‘the committee’ as it has nothing to do with anyone being a committee member, if it was and you where not consulted, that would be underhand, it wasn’t, you weren’t, it’s not. (you have to read that three times I confused my self but I think it makes sense!).:eek:

This has nothing to do with committee members or the club.

From now on I will ask Andy to inform all committee members of any major or minor decisions that are taken. As yet none have been made. I have rung a few banks to test the water, no decisions made. Andy is waiting for some sort of reply from Haynes, I think, about the use of a name. that’s it.

Ronnie, please take a moment to reconsider your decision.:)

Cheers Ginge

[HandyAndy]

Ronnie,

My heart is saddened to read your last post,

The decision for the forum to have new moderators has only just happened in the last 6 days or so ( when Chris had Pm,d me , Ash & Ginge ),
and in no way has it any relation to the fact that the 3 new moderators are voted in club committee members, as Ginge has said, it is purely coincidental,

Like you Ronnie , we,re all passionate about this forum, & the creation of the club, but we were asked by Chris to be moderators only late last week & assure you this never even came into any conversation whilst we were all at the Stoneleigh show 4 weeks ago.

As far as I personally am concerned there has not been any "Back Room Dealings" whatsoever & I would never entertain or condone such happenings in any way at all, I am saddened that this thought had crossed your mind, said sincerely .

The need for more moderators was felt last year in the "Forum Melt Down" & with a recent situation AFTER the stoneleigh show it was deemed by Haynes admin that it is time more moderators be appointed, but the fact that we ( Ash, Ginge & myself ) are also club committee members has no connection in any way to us being asked by Chris.

I sincerely hope you will reconsider your decision, the help & information & pure enthusiasm for all things Roadster that you have Ronnie is an inspiration to us all.

I will always inform all committee members of any decisions/info with regard the "Club", now that the period of grace for objections has run its course , we can start making decisions as a fully voted in accepted committee, which we couldn,t do until the 30 day period of acceptance had passed.

cheers
andy

[davidimurray]

Ronnie

I was saddened to read your post. I have the utmost respect for you. You are a true gentlemen (my girlfriend even says that ;) ) and a stalwart of the forum. You have always been willing to help anyone without questions no matter how big or small the query. I know that without the kind help, advice and parts you have helped me out with my build would not be as far progressed as it is now. I'm sure that will apply to many others. I believe that you can make a valuable contribution to the club and help it move forward. I hope that you will reconsider your decision and you have my full backing as a committee member if you wish to reconsider.

All the best
Dave

[Bonzo]

Firstly, thank you for the kind words of support chaps, it does mean a great deal to me. :) :)

I did give this matter some serious thought before I publicly announced my resignation from the proposed club’s committee.

However my position or viewpoint remain unchanged.

I would like to think that my own view on the subject is similar to the ones held by other likeminded forum members who wish to see this forum remain completely separate & independent of the proposed club.

Although it has been said, it is only coincidence that the forums moderators are also on the club’s committee.
Outsiders & prospective club members may not share this view.

Ultimately this would have been the reason as to why I would have declined an invitation to become a forum moderator.

First & foremost, I must remain loyal to my own beliefs & act in a manner that is acceptable to the rank & file forum membership.

All I ask is, please respect my views for what they are.

It is not my intention to harm the club in any way, as said, i will give it my full support as a member but sadly cannot serve as a committee member. :)

[Enoch]

Pity that, Ronnie. I totally understand where you are coming from and respect your decision but I think it's a pity. Something tells me you would have been a most useful addition to "the team".

All the best and all that.

[MightyMouth]

I respect your decision Ronnie but would have to respectfully disagree with your assessment of the situation.

I think the forum was in need of a few active moderators and can think of no better than those chosen. Forum moderators need to be active members of the community with the community's interests at heart and I would hope that anyone who was an active member of the forum would also be a club member. Being committee members is not entirely coincidental, the fact is that because they are so active they were chosen as committee members which is the same reason I suspect they were chosen as moderators.

The alternative is having moderators who aren't active on the forums and may not even be building or interested in Haynes Roadsters.

I can see no conflict of interest as the interests are the same and I am sure Haynes will still oversee the forums. At the end of the day, moderators are only there to keep the peace and keep the forum clean and tidy.

[Davey]

Sorry to have to say this but I happen to agree with Ronnie.
If moderators needed to be appointed why wasn't the appointment of said members announced?
Why are mods the only ones allowed to have an Avatar?

Conflict of interest? Well yes there is a huge one and I apologise for bringing this up in public as it were but....... HandyAndy's own brother was the root of much of the recent trouble on the forum, Andy is a very busy man and a self confessed computer (and presumably therefore) internet learner, why appoint him as a moderator when there are so many obviously better qualified members, Mighty Mouth (Keith) and TwinTurbo (Robin) spring readily to mind. Even I am a moderator on more than one forum and I own one too!

If Haynes are interested in this forum then why have we not yet got a decision on whether or not we can use the Haynes name in the name of the club? Who is pursuing this point please? Also what is the current state of discussion?

I too have thought long and hard about this and like Ronnie I don't particularly like the way it has been done. Intentionally or not it smacks of deviousness and underhand, behind the scenes dealings.

I too was a prospective committee member but I stand with Ronnie on this point and withdraw my decision to stand as a general committee member.

My final point is this, if a club is going to happen then ALL arrangements and dealings HAVE to be TOTALLY OPEN AND UPFRONT, even if they are not directly linked to the formation of said club.

D.

[Bonzo]

Hi Davey sorry to read that you have also been kept in the dark about recent events :(

So not only do we have a forum with a select inner circle, it would appear that some the clubs committee members are also running an inner circle !!??

Since the whole club issue was dicussed at Stoneleigh, I have recieved one solitary message from a member of the committee ( This was purely a request for information )
I have been kept totaly in the dark as to what, or even if any progress has been made at all.
Don't even have a clue if haynes have even been asked for the relevant permission to use their brand name :confused:

Perhap's it is now time for the remainder of the proposed committee to make a statement of progress to date.

May add, I am pleased that that at least on person can see where I am coming from .... Well put Davy :)

[Bonzo]

I think the forum was in need of a few active moderators and can think of no better than those chosen. Forum moderators need to be active members of the community with the community's interests at heart

I have only just noticed this post !!

Thanks for your vote of confidence Keith :eek: :(

What the hell am I if you do not think I do not constitute an actve forum member suitable for inclusion of forum admin dutys !!?? :confused: :confused:

[MightyMouth]

Why are mods the only ones allowed to have an Avatar?


I would just point out that Avatars are to be made available to all members. (http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?p=39531#post39531)

[MightyMouth]

I have only just noticed this post !!

Thanks for your vote of confidence Keith :eek: :(

What the hell am I if you do not think I do not constitute an actve forum member suitable for inclusion of forum admin dutys !!?? :confused: :confused:

Ronnie,

Sorry I did not mean to imply that you would be any less suitable and I would have supported the decision just as wholeheartedly if you had been chosen but you seemed to make clear you thought it was a bad idea to have committee members as moderators so the thought that you might have accepted if asked never crossed my mind. If I had made the choice I would have chosen Handy, You and TwinTurbo due the to amount of contribution made by you all.

[tkpm]

Ronnie,

Sorry I did not mean to imply that you would be any less suitable and I would have supported the decision just as wholeheartedly if you had been chosen but you seemed to make clear you thought it was a bad idea to have committee members as moderators so the thought that you might have accepted if asked never crossed my mind. If I had made the choice I would have chosen Handy, You and TwinTurbo due the to amount of contribution made by you all.

That would have been my choice as well MightyMouth

Terry

[frankie boy]

I think the moderator's duties require a certain degree of computer skills. I'm a software developer by trade and I am often frustrated by the moderator/admin interface of a forum I run. So it would be best for the forum if the moderators were 2-3 active, computer savvy members who refresh the forum all day, so that they can deal with the spam before others see it :)

Well said that man:D

[gundog]

re your signature frank can i have a box of protectors in kawasaki green with the logo in gold glitter please
can i have them in liar size
also can you send me a copy of your brochure !!!!!!!!:eek:

refusing to take it seriously

andy

[gingea1pom]

Well HandyAndy has thrown the towel in with regards to running the club.

Let’s remain positive in that someone might step forward to take on that mantel (not me that’s for sure).

I think it unlikely that he will be coming on here again to explain, or for any other reason, so I thought I would keep you all up to speed with what I know. That’s all I know.

The conflict of interest issue has buy a twist of bad fate resolved it’s self. I only have one interest and that is to humbly try and maintain, with all your help, a happy and constructive place to come and chat:o

Heads up everywhere, let’s all go and have a great Saturday of garage engineering.:D

Let’s please remain positive and civil.

Cheers Ginge

[spud69]

I'll second that Ginge, I feel for Andy though when his heart has always been in the right place and it looks like he will be the major looser out of all this all due to, and he wont mind me saying this, his drunken bum of a cack stirring brother. Who in a roundabout kind of way has indirectly achieved what he set out to do, that being to alienate Andy from the club and forum.

It's a shame when all that was really at fault was a severe case of poor communication which has upset and pushed out, understandably, certain people. As you state Ginge lets get back to the "happy and constructive place to come and have a chat". Saturn hat off, i've been with the Haynes Roadster culture now for over 2 years and believe it to be fantastic community to be involved with. Lets not go down the Locost route where a lot of egos rule the roost.

I'm not the best at putting my thoughts down but hope i can make some difference and help in getting everything back to 3 months ago.

Regards......AndrewH

[CaptainCrash1971]

And I'll third it Spud. If it wasn't for the welcome and help I received from HAndy when I first came on the forum, then I probably wouldn't be building a roadster at all. In my opinion (for what it's worth), Andy has never appeared to have any ulterior motive for coming on here, or helping setting up the club.
As for people mocking Andy promoting his flat packs on here, that's just pathetic. It's more of a service than a business!! If it's such a good business, why aren't there a whole bunch of entrepeneurs on here offering them cheaper?? The truth is, he's offering something that's difficult to do well for a price that's as cheap as buying the raw steel. If I was making em I'd want about £1,000 a kit to make it worth my while!:D
Now, let's just get this forum back on track, if a few people have their noses put out of joint, I'm sure it wasn't intentional and they'll soon mend. Let's just hope Andy has a change of heart and gets back on here ASAP, as we need his advice, expertise and crap jokes :D

[gingea1pom]

Cheers for that Spud,Captin

I my line of work, and many others, communication is key.

Note to self communicate more,:D (they wouldn’t believe at work that I have told myself to communicate more!:eek: :D )

Hopfully after some 'decompression' (nice Army term) we might get back to normality.:o

Cheers Ginge

[Davey]

My apologies if my bringing Andy's brother's performance up has made him decide to quit the forum, that was never my intention and I was quite happy for Andy to be the main driving force behind the club. I just felt it had to be said that it was a glaring conflict of interest for the guy and put him in a position that nobody deserves to be placed in.

FWIW I never felt we had a two tier club or forum, just that there was a distinct lack of communication between committee members at least and I agreed with Ronnie, and still do, that the selection of moderators could have been done more considerately and that it would have been nice if it had been publicly announced rather than leaving us to find it out for ourselves.

D.

[Davey]

Sorry to have to say this but I happen to agree with Ronnie.
If moderators needed to be appointed why wasn't the appointment of said members announced?
Why are mods the only ones allowed to have an Avatar?

Conflict of interest? Well yes there is a huge one and I apologise for bringing this up in public as it were but....... HandyAndy's own brother was the root of much of the recent trouble on the forum, Andy is a very busy man and a self confessed computer (and presumably therefore) internet learner, why appoint him as a moderator when there are so many obviously better qualified members, Mighty Mouth (Keith) and TwinTurbo (Robin) spring readily to mind. Even I am a moderator on more than one forum and I own one too!

If Haynes are interested in this forum then why have we not yet got a decision on whether or not we can use the Haynes name in the name of the club? Who is pursuing this point please? Also what is the current state of discussion?

I too have thought long and hard about this and like Ronnie I don't particularly like the way it has been done. Intentionally or not it smacks of deviousness and underhand, behind the scenes dealings.

I too was a prospective committee member but I stand with Ronnie on this point and withdraw my decision to stand as a general committee member.

My final point is this, if a club is going to happen then ALL arrangements and dealings HAVE to be TOTALLY OPEN AND UPFRONT, even if they are not directly linked to the formation of said club.

D.

Hmmm, nearly 24 hours since I posted this and the only response has been from Keith regarding choice of moderators. Absolutely no response regarding communication with Haynes etc!

Does anyone who actually works for Haynes publishing read and contribute to this forum? If so then could we please have an answer regarding the use of the name "Haynes" in the formation of a club?

If not then could whoever is in discussion with Haynes publishing please let us mere mortals know what is happening?

D.

[gingea1pom]

Evening or morning just!

Just got in from the Sergeants Mess (wasn’t drinking I am on duty what is that all about):(

As far as I am aware Andy had asked Chris Gibbs to have a word with Haynes, he mentioned it when we where cowering under your awning at Stoneleigh.

I think that answers two of your three questions I have no idea on what is happening. I was only asked to look into bank accounts and I mentioned all my findings on here.

I feel it is a little irrelevant now however as Andy is no longer having anything to do with the ‘Club’. Unless of course you know of anyone who is willing to take up the mantel of club secretary to take things forward and treasurer for that matter as that post is not now the one for me.

Andy is the one to speak with, but getting hold of him could be interesting.

Right of to bed Sunday lunch at my mother’s tomorrow and I must remember to collect the kids.:eek: :D

Cheers Ginge

[Davey]

Cheers Ginge. So it looks like the "club" is a dead end then? I don't quite understand why Andy has dropped everything so suddenly though. Yes Bonzo and myself weren't happy with the lack of communication but surely the way to deal with that is to communicate not just walk away?

D.

[twinturbo]

Oh Dear.

Well

I think the crux here is just a communication issue, Personally I don't have a problem with the Mods that have been appointed but some discussion would probably have been the sensible thing to do. Chances are we may have ended up with the same line up.

When selecting the modding team then number of posts is not always important,
I may have a High ranking but I have only been here a few months and not even got much built. Some members have been here for ages and know other members personally.

Anyway, come on what does it really matter in the grand scheme of things, as with many small forums moderating usually takes the for of removing spam, tidying up and fixing little issues for people.

I am still happy to be a committee member, but we still need someone to do the pushing.

Handy has been a gr8 inspiration and help to many and this forum will be so much poorer without his input so even if he's not going to run the club we need to make sure we don't loose him from the forum.

Also remember it's not a race to set up the club, we are not in competition sometimes these things can take months to reach a stage where it's worthwhile launching.

TT

[flyerncle]

Hi All.

I have missed all the posts on this thread being away on holiday in Kenya, I have no wish to add to it nor join in but just after reading TT's post and a few others lets get back to the issue and build cars and help each other . ;)

[gingea1pom]

Morning all, I am on the BlackBerry so bare with me!

I really can't speak for Andy as I don't know his reasons you will have to PM him.

Can't type much more my thumb hurts!

OK can't insert smillys whilst on the BB so read the above with a smile on your face.

Cheers Ginge