Contesting Q plates

[Eternal]

My build is going to use a non donor engine and gearbox... but all the rest from a sierra donor (ie, dif/shafts/hubs/steering/clocks/other bits that i cant think of) Im worried that i wont be able to obtain a age related plate and thus transfer my personal plate (birthday gift) to the car when its all done im only going to build one of these so want it done right. I remember seeing a points system somewhere but i just dont think i will have enough parts to be able to get away with it. my questions are....

1) has anyone got a age related plate with a non donor engine/gearbox

2) how hard is it to contest (in a non violent way) a Q plate

The other option is to build the chassis to fit a skyline engine then install a cvh and mt75 from a donor get it all up and running then rebuild it all again. :mad:

Any help and advice welcome!

[gingea1pom]

Eternal,

Have a read through this (http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSellingAVehicle/RegisteringAVehicle/DG_10014246) page and see what you make of it.

I am sure it will raise some debate;:D the page is from the DVLA web site.;)

Cheers Ginge

[DStanley1809]

A friend of mine is curentry in the process of putting an engine, gearbox, rear axle, suspension and complete interior from his crashed Saxo into another bodyshell he bought from someone else.

Reading the paragraph about using secondhand chassis while rebuilding a car it looks like he might need to IVA the final result. Is that right?

[gingea1pom]

As always I stand to be corrected.;)

I don’t think your friend requires an IVA test but should declare what he has done to the DVLA. It will be inspected by the DVLA (good luck:D ) then issued with a ‘Q’ plate, as he will be registering the monocoque he brought not the Saxo he crashed, if he registers the crashed Saxo, write off status notwithstanding, it looks like it is IVA time.

I think.:o

Maybe!:o

Cheers Ginge

[mark]

My build is going to use a non donor engine and gearbox... but all the rest from a sierra donor (ie, dif/shafts/hubs/steering/clocks/other bits that i cant think of) Im worried that i wont be able to obtain a age related plate and thus transfer my personal plate (birthday gift) to the car when its all done im only going to build one of these so want it done right. I remember seeing a points system somewhere but i just dont think i will have enough parts to be able to get away with it. my questions are....

1) has anyone got a age related plate with a non donor engine/gearbox

2) how hard is it to contest (in a non violent way) a Q plate

The other option is to build the chassis to fit a skyline engine then install a cvh and mt75 from a donor get it all up and running then rebuild it all again. :mad:

Any help and advice welcome!


I very much doubt you will get an age related plate with that set up

Drury recently got an age related plate even though he used a zetec but everything else will have been sierra including the gearbox

If its a must on your list to get age related i would suggest using the donor set up for iva get the easy emmisions check and age related plate, then do whatever you like to it ;)

It will just be even more work (putting it mildly!) fitting it all up to take the skyline engine then taking it out to put the sierra engine in

With such a complex install it may be wise to make it how you want it first time round and just live with the Q plate

If you are keeping the car longterm it doesnt make a difference anyway, it may affect resale price very slightly but perspective buyers will understand when you tell them why

[Coozer]

Transfer the engine into the Sierra first and then it becomes part of the donor package.

[deezee]

The DVLA check the engine against the donor production now. As loads of people tried it with Zetec's and as the DVLA quite rightly pointed out, the Sierra never came with a Zetec. I know the IVA will reject your claim if you say the engine came from the donor.

[Big Vern]

My build is going to use a non donor engine and gearbox... but all the rest from a sierra donor (ie, dif/shafts/hubs/steering/clocks/other bits that i cant think of) Im worried that i wont be able to obtain a age related plate and thus transfer my personal plate (birthday gift) to the car when its all done im only going to build one of these so want it done right. I remember seeing a points system somewhere but i just dont think i will have enough parts to be able to get away with it. my questions are....

1) has anyone got a age related plate with a non donor engine/gearbox

2) how hard is it to contest (in a non violent way) a Q plate

The other option is to build the chassis to fit a skyline engine then install a cvh and mt75 from a donor get it all up and running then rebuild it all again. :mad:

Any help and advice welcome!

I think you'll find both Q plates and age related plates are non transferable so it's unlikely you'll be able to fit a personalised plate.
Age related plates awarded to old cars, (many lost their original identity when the V5 first came in), are not transferable.:(

BV.

[Neil P]

Pretty sure age related are transferable.

Old ones that are not transferable are such as my old landrover which currently has its original 1953 plate on it. If I choose to transfer that plate to another car, DVLA will issue another, age related, plate to the landrover which will be non transferable from that point.

The original plate will remain transferable between vehicles.

You should be able to get age related. You need 8 points.
New chassis = 5 points
Front and rear axle assemblies = 2 points
Steering assembly = 2 points

I have a non donor engine and age related plate.

Neil

[Eternal]

Well i will be doing a modded chassis from scratch so i think i would only get 4 points for the axle and steering. On the + side if i dont mind getting a Q i dont have to bother with a single donor i can just get bits from where i want as i dont realy want the hastle of stripping a sierra and trying to get rid of it. I live in the middle of no where and would have to hire a trailer ect.

[Neil P]

What do you mean by modded chassis from scratch?

If you are building a new chassis, which I presume you are if you are building a roadster, then you get 5 points for it. A few photos of the build process and receipts for the steel is all you need.

You are the manufacturer of the new chassis, it doesn't have to be bought from someone else.

Neil

[mark]

I know it differs from office to office but at my recent dvla inspection, the girl inspecting it said, if it wasnt the original doner engine i would automatically get a Q

Drurys recent build contradicts this but i wouldnt put any hope on an age related without using only 1 donor car

[Eternal]

I think I should just build what I want and if it gets age related then all the better. I might write a letter to the test center and tell them my plans and see what they say.

[mark]

I think I should just build what I want and if it gets age related then all the better. I might write a letter to the test center and tell them my plans and see what they say.

Thats probably the best thing to do as you will get contradicting info from different people on here as we all get different info from our local offices! :D

[drury318]

Hi, book a week off work, get yourself a bottle of whisky & some large packets of crisps and stuff and then ring the dvla, Oh and make yourself comfortable, it`s long winded!


Seriously though, I think many people have an age related plate without the donor engine but with everything else donor related, but the problem is you can`t really prove anything is from the donor except the engine, it`s the only thing with a number. You have to rely on the inspector`s common sense & be polite etc. It also seemed to help that I had a dating letter for the non donor sourced engine too.

Bottom line is it`s not a given you`ll get an age related plate at all, but it`s certainly possible if you go about it the right way.

Dennis.

[Neil P]

New chassis and two major components is all you need.

The girl advising non original engine gets a Q plate is quite clearly wrong when you look at the DVLA'a own info sheets.

Mine is age related. It has a different engine to the donor and I didn't even have a V5 for the donor because it needed a VIC when I got it and it was dismantled without ever having the ID check.

All I had were a few photo's of the partially dismantled donor to show where any of the parts had come from and some build photo's.

Neil

[Eternal]

"Kit Conversions
This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.
A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An IVA, ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle." - dvla website

Indeed sounds good shame I'm building the chassis myself lol might have to comission someone to make what I need.

[Eternal]

Just want to thank everyone for the advice. Oh and all my anoying questions heh so yeah big thanks to all!

[Big Vern]

Just want to thank everyone for the advice. Oh and all my anoying questions heh so yeah big thanks to all!

No worries, not annoying questions but not getting to use a cherished number could be

BV:)

[Neil P]

Indeed sounds good shame I'm building the chassis myself lol might have to comission someone to make what I need.

You can lead a horse to water...............................

You can build your own chassis and get age related plate!!

Neil