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Bonzo
9th October 2010, 12:48 PM
It has dawned on me that I have been very sloppy about keeping folk informed about my progress !!

Even worse, I have progress reports/pictures scattered throughout the forum in all mannner of assorted threads :rolleyes:

I have started this new thread to keep those that are interested in my build, informed & will endeavour to keep all of my drivell posted in this thread :o

Latest progress

Firstly, the grand workshop clean up never happened !! .... For some reason, I can't leave the build alone, all I want to do at the moment is to be making things ??
My motivation to crack on with my build seems to be on a high & as they say, make hay whilst the sun shines.

This morning I made a wee mod to the pedal box.

First picture is of the aditional metalwork involved.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/PedalboxmodA.jpg

Second picture is of the master cylinder in it's new position.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/PedalboxmodB.jpg

Why have I done this ??

When I offered the master cylinder up to the pedal box, I was not entirely happy with the angle it was sitting at !! mostly, just how low the bottom brake line was going to be .... Without using a Banjo union on that one, it was going to be difficult to keep that pipe above the chassis.

In it's new position I feel that the following advantages have been achieved.

Master cylinder now working at the angle that is was designed for, Fluid bottle now more or less level, cylinder tilted at an ange that will encourage any trapped air to work its way out, better angle for the pedal actuating rod & most importantly to me, more room for the bottom brake pipe.

The material I used for the pedal box was 4mm plate, had some kicking about & thought it would be stiffer than the 3mm plate I had.

The keener eyed of you may notice that I have placed U6, square to the bulkhead !!, yes a cock up on my part & not noticed untill the chassis was fully welded.

Here's thinking about this afternoons jobs

mr henderson
9th October 2010, 02:30 PM
I like that modification, very sensible, nice welding too.

flyerncle
9th October 2010, 04:22 PM
Buy some flat washers you tight bugger !:p

Nice welding !!!!

Bonzo
9th October 2010, 04:41 PM
Thank you Mr H :)

Paul

Believe it or not, I havn't got a M8 flat washer in the place :eek:

Got to order some up & knowing me, when it comes to final fixing .... They'll get flat washers, shakeproof washers, nylocks & loctite :D :D

Davey
9th October 2010, 05:08 PM
Looking good Ronnie;) . I think the mods you've made are very sensible and I agree with your logic. I need to find some inspiration and time for my build as it has come to a grinding halt at the moment. I've gone back to working on the camper conversion and then we've decided to get and kit out an exhibition trailer for next year's show diary so even Winter's going ot be tough to find time for the Dragon.

D.

Enoch
9th October 2010, 05:29 PM
Doooohhh! Wish I had thought of doing that!!
I was a bit concerned about how low my pipe was, with a very tight curve it is ok but your idea is a damn fine one. Very well executed too.
Enoch

AshG
9th October 2010, 07:36 PM
nice bit of welding that ronnie. not bad for a half blind old codger :D did you get one of those esab auto masks in the end?

one thing i would say is check the pivot of the push rod, as now the cylinder is angled up, it wont be travelling in a straight line which could frag the seals pretty quickly.

HandyAndy
9th October 2010, 08:02 PM
Nice work Ronnie :cool:

As you have given thought to air in the system, where abouts are you putting the brake light pressure switch? only reason I ask is due to, my system got air in the pressure switch (Which gave for a lazy brake light activation) & was a bu@@er to get out, tilting it solved the problem ;) :)

Its great to see your build is progressing more & more each day :cool:

cheers
andy

Bonzo
9th October 2010, 08:03 PM
Cheers Ash :)

Yes I did buy one of those screens mate, it made a whole world of difference & has a very low minimum shade setting, Ideal for using the TIG welder :cool:

I think the biggest thing I found, was using my reading glasses whilst welding .... Stands to reason really, if I need em for reading, probably need em for welding too & hey presto, who turned the lights on :o

Good call with the pedal pivot point mate.
When I first fitted the cylinder ( As per book ), I had to drill another hole further up the pedal because as you say, it was snagging as the pedal was pushed in.
After my little mod, I am now able to use the original hole & the pedal now feels really smoothe.
I will check the continuity of the braking system before it is used in anger :)

Bonzo
9th October 2010, 08:14 PM
Hi Andy

Yes I have a hydraulic brake switch & I am minded to fit it upside down as per Paul's sugestion ;) ( If I can )

That said, I am still going to chew on the idea of fitting an electrical brake light switch .... I dare say that will involve a few days of head & ball scratching :D :D

Feels really great to be out in the workshop once more .... Long may it last :)

carlknight1982
9th October 2010, 10:35 PM
Another small thought, a couple of Nyloc nuts on the master cylinder retaining bolts might keep Mr IVA happy love the mod, im thinking of doing the same thing now myself.

Bonzo
10th October 2010, 08:38 AM
The pedal box is very much a job still in progress, needing to sort out the clutch & throttle cable fittings.

Forgot to mention that the plate I made for that mod has 2 captive studs welded to the reverse side ( 8.8 set bolts )


I'll be using flat washers/nylocs throughout the build & loctite on anything captive ;)

Now here's a little thing I personally like to do for peace of mind.

When it comes to final assembly, in particular, fixings.
Personally, I like to put a small dab of paint on any fixings that have just had it's final tighening.
I use Blue for anything that has been loctited & yellow for anything else :)

Silly I know but if it is done at the time of final tightening of each fixing it will give you a visual indication of any fixing that may of been overlooked :)

HandyAndy
10th October 2010, 09:34 AM
Now here's a little thing I personally like to do for peace of mind.

When it comes to final assembly, in particular, fixings.
Personally, I like to put a small dab of paint on any fixings that have just had it's final tighening.
I use Blue for anything that has been loctited & yellow for anything else :)

Silly I know but if it is done at the time of final tightening of each fixing it will give you a visual indication of any fixing that may of been overlooked :)

I think this is a great idea :cool:

Coupled with Nylocs, this attention to detail I,m sure would impress Mr IVA man,

Hope you don,t mind Ronnie, but think I,ll go & buy 2 little tins of model makers paint in blue & yellow:)

cheers
andy

carlknight1982
10th October 2010, 10:12 AM
great Ideal, i never thoguht to use to colors ive always used tippex sounds good tho

acra
10th October 2010, 12:48 PM
That's a great idea Bonzo, we use the same thing in the Aerospace world. The name escapes me, but it's something like proof paint or something similar, and we put a line of it across the nut, surface and bolt, to prove that not only has the fastening been tightened (to torque usually), but also that it has not moved in use (by vibrations etc).

Definitely a good thing for piece of mind!

monsterob
10th October 2010, 12:49 PM
we use paint pens at work for marking off safety critical fixings and earth connections blue yellow white

edding paint markers

:D http://www.cultpens.com/acatalog/edding_750_Paint_Marker.html:D

Locky
10th October 2010, 08:15 PM
in work i use touch up paint, can get it for pennies at car boot sales or find some in the car cupboard in the garage from past cars.

Bonzo
10th October 2010, 08:27 PM
That's a great idea Bonzo, we use the same thing in the Aerospace world. The name escapes me, but it's something like proof paint or something similar, and we put a line of it across the nut, surface and bolt, to prove that not only has the fastening been tightened (to torque usually), but also that it has not moved in use (by vibrations etc).

Definitely a good thing for piece of mind!

Yes that is where the idea probably came from, it was something my father taught me. :)
He served for many years in the fleet air arm & moved into civil aviation prior to his retirement.

I can take no credit for the idea at all :D :D

Andy

Those small tins of model makers enammel will be great .... If you are feeling really brave, you could raid Sue's nail varnishes :eek:

HandyAndy
10th October 2010, 08:37 PM
Andy

Those small tins of model makers enammel will be great .... If you are feeling really brave, you could raid Sue's nail varnishes :eek:

:eek: I wouldn,t dare, she,d skin me alive :D

Plus, I don,t think her choice of colours would "look the part ":D

cheers
andy

Wgroove
10th October 2010, 09:23 PM
Hi Ronnie,
you've got a PM !
Thanks,

Wim

Bonzo
10th October 2010, 09:36 PM
Sorted Wim :) :)

Bonzo
11th October 2010, 07:06 PM
Woke up this morning, the sun was shining & was looking like it was going to be a really nice day.

Well I could not resist the temptation any longer .... It was time for the bodywork to have a coming out party, been dagging to have a play with it ever since Handy Andy bought it down to me, earlier this year :cool:

Here's a little teaser for you.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/RoadsterPreview.jpg

I have a load of other more important bit's of the build to do but as they say, a change is as good as a rest.

Promise it will not be too much longer before I post some better pictures but as usual, the workshop is in chaos, it would be hard to tell the build from the mess :o

A big thank you must go to Spud at Saturn for making my colour choice possible & a huge thank you to Handy Andy for the personal delivery.

Oh well, I guess it's back onto the more important stuff tomorrow .... I could put the seat's in though !!?? :D

adrianreeve
11th October 2010, 07:27 PM
Looking good there Ronnie, I'm almost inspired to take some photos of my progress!

HandyAndy
11th October 2010, 08:49 PM
:cool: Looks great on your Roadster Ronnie, can,t wait to see a full photo when she,s all dressed up :cool:

You are certainly cracking on with your build now, great to see :)

cheers
andy

flyerncle
11th October 2010, 08:58 PM
Hounds hydraulics Ronnie !!!, I think someone mentioned that Mr IVA mentioned flat washers to be fitted to "spread the load" hence the mention.:p

Bonzo
11th October 2010, 09:01 PM
Yes Andy, I think I will be made up when It all comes together :)

Here's a couple more that are not too bad.

From the front

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/Preview2.jpg

Looking from the rear

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/preview3.jpg

As you can see, I still have align the bonnet correctly but that can wait for a while.

Really need to get on with some of the more important stuff :o

HandyAndy
11th October 2010, 09:04 PM
nice photos Ronnie :cool: :cool:

but there,s an echo :D

go on, get them seats fitted then have a proper sit in & admire the view from the drivers seat :cool:

cheers
andy

Bonzo
11th October 2010, 09:11 PM
My fault Andy

I double posted by accident .... Double tapped the stupid touch pad on me laptop :rolleyes: :o

Funny you should metion the seats Andy .... They just happened to fall down from the loft this evening .... Junior has his uses :D

Now where did I put that steering wheel .... Brum, brum, brum :o

AshG
11th October 2010, 09:34 PM
for someone that was meant to be taking it slowly thats some bloomin good progress in a week. at this rate it should be at exeter :D

tkpm
12th October 2010, 01:08 AM
There i was thinking i would be the only one with a red body in the west country doh.

Terry

967

Enoch
12th October 2010, 07:39 AM
Looking good Ronnie:) I love the colour, very striking.
Enoch

spud69
12th October 2010, 10:33 AM
Very nice Ronnie, and good to see your build coming on. Does look nice in that colour to.....;)

Keep it up.....AndyH

K4KEV
12th October 2010, 11:10 AM
Yea yea yea....Traffic Red Rocks:D :D must get on wi mine:(

Wgroove
12th October 2010, 02:47 PM
Sorted Wim :) :)

Thanks for the pictures Ronnie !

Looking awesome ! Nice job ! :p

Bonzo
16th October 2010, 01:47 PM
Some of you may have read that I wanted to try a plastic inlet manifold out for size !!??

Got busy first thing this morning & took the hacksaw to the engine bay brace ( TR5 ) .... Ohhhh, that felt so naughty :D

Before I did any cutting, I had a quick measure up just to make sure that I was not going to run into any major setbacks ( Concerned about the engine mount )

Well, what a difference, fits like a glove :)

I'll have to re-route the steering shaft a little but I can live with that.

Here's a couple of pictures, I have placed a batten accross the scuttle & nozecone to give some idea of levels.

Here's the original Alloy Zetec manifold fitted, way too tall !!??

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/AlloyInletManifold.jpg

Here's the plastic inlet manifold fitted, see how much room has been gained.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/PlasticInletManifold.jpg

All in all, it should give me a head start towards an early engine run .... who knows, even a wee test drive !!

Wgroove
16th October 2010, 02:22 PM
Nice job Ronnie !
Did you made the plastic manifold by yourself ??

Greetz,

Wim

Bonzo
16th October 2010, 03:34 PM
Hi Wim

No, the manifold is a standard Ford one :)

It came from an 1998 Ford Escort Mk5/6 .... Alloy inlet manifolds were originally fitted to the earlier models & were replaced by downward hanging plastic inlet manifolds in about 1997/98 ?

They were fitted to the late 1.6 & 1.8 Zetec engined car's

I am not sure if this manifold was also fitted to the later Mondeo's !!??

The one I picked up was from a 1.6 litre model .... Easy got as it was laying on the floor, next to the car.
Next time I am at the breaker's I will collect the correct 1.8 Litre version, I strongly suspect that there will be a difference in the size of throttle body between the 1.6 & 1.8 ;)

Just need to do a slight modification to the steering extension shaft & the job will sorted :cool:

richardk
16th October 2010, 04:32 PM
Nice work there Ronnie, glad things are improving for you as well my mate, Car looks fantastic and that colour is going to look very striking indeed. Take care mate and see you next year hopefully!

Rich

Bonzo
16th October 2010, 04:42 PM
Thank's Rich :)

This year has been a long hard slog for me but at last Things are moving in the right direction ;)

I would love to park up alongside you all next year but more likely to be 2012 :o

Mind you, if my energy & motivation holds up .... Never say never, long time between now & next May :D

alga
16th October 2010, 04:49 PM
Always nice to see progress pics! Nice job, Ronnie!

Wim, this manifold has been fitted to Mondeos. I have one of those. Ford Focus blacktops have a similar one too.

twinturbo
16th October 2010, 04:56 PM
Looks Lovely, and the mainfold looks like ti will work out gr8.

TT

David_17
16th October 2010, 06:22 PM
I've got a spare 1.8 and 2.0 plastic inlet if you want one? :)

adrianreeve
16th October 2010, 06:45 PM
Ronnie

I've got a 2.0l mondeo throttle body if you want it? Yours for the postage.

Cheers

Adrian

Bonzo
16th October 2010, 07:30 PM
Thank you David & Adrian, the offers of help mean a great deal to me & yes, I would be happy to cover any sending costs :)

Have a trip to the breakers planned for Monday .... Needing to find a pair of suitable steering couplings so as I can decide what size pillow block bearing to order ( Need a bearing to re-route the steering shaft )

If I fail to aquire what I need, i'll shout up chaps :D

big_wasa
17th October 2010, 12:19 PM
The alloy manifold was never used on the mondeo. Yours is from a 115ps 1.8 as it says SO on the back. They did a HO for the 130ps in the rs and xr3i's ect. these have bigger ports and a 2L size Tb and fetch good money as there arnt that many about. There is another without the So or Ho stamp and they where fitted to the 105 ps 1.8 and the 1.6 engines.

What engine managment are you using ? it will run reall nice on the ford one ;)

big_wasa
17th October 2010, 12:29 PM
Westfield used to sell a plenum that would fit the Tb and clear the bonnet. It was thought to be a peugeot part.


http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/upload/enginefromabove1.jpg

Bonzo
17th October 2010, 09:19 PM
You are spot on there Big Wasa :)

My 1.8 Zetec engine was indeed a 115ps one from a 1992 Mk5 Escort Ghia .

Yes I am hoping to get it up & running in it's standard form, complete with the original EEC 1V management :)

I have both Megasqirt & megajolt here but at the moment I just want to get the Roadster running as easily as possible.

My Vauxhall Red top engine is still calling to me .... I will save all the upgrading for a later date ;)

Been scouring the breakers for ages for the 130ps set up .... You never know one may turn up at some point :)

twinturbo
17th October 2010, 09:47 PM
Ask on the XROC forum, somone may have the bits..

TT

Bonzo
18th October 2010, 12:22 PM
Thanks for that Rob :)

I'll fire the engine up as standard & have a little tinker :D

Have read on some forum's, that fitting a 2 litre throttle body & cams, will get the 115ps engine running at 130ps !!??

Don't know if there is any truth in that .... I guess the 115ps ECU may object to those changes :confused:

Hope to be starting on the engine wiring in the next week or so, sure i'll be bending your ear about the few wires from the ECU, that do not go directly to the engine harness :o

twinturbo
18th October 2010, 12:31 PM
If your running closed loop lambda control then th ECU should manage to keep the fueling in trim.

TT

big_wasa
18th October 2010, 04:48 PM
I wouldnt worry to much about the 130 manifold. The ports are bigger but the casting is rough.

Once running on the standard ecu you wont want to bother with the Ms.

alga
18th October 2010, 08:39 PM
If your running closed loop lambda control then th ECU should manage to keep the fueling in trim.

That should take care of idle and cruising speeds, but AFAIK the ECUs break out of closed loop mode once the throttle is more than halfway open.

Bonzo
19th October 2010, 10:20 AM
If your running closed loop lambda control then th ECU should manage to keep the fueling in trim.

TT

I was with you right up to the bit where you said the " Closed loop lambda control " bit :D :o

Guessing that this is a standard function to the OEM's lambda sensor & ecu ??

Albert

That part of the engine management is still a mystery to me at the moment !!

When I get to the engine running side of things, i'll get my " Going back to school " head on

__________________________________________________ _____________

Had a good trip to the breakers yesterday.

Managed to find the correct 1.8/2.0 litre, plastic inlet manifold, as was said, a fair bit of size difference to the inlets.
Also collected 1.8 & 2.0 litre throttle bodys + a 2.0 litre injector rail, complete with injectors.

Junior went arround & collected me a good assortment of steering knuckles for my steering shaft mod.

Ohhh & a replacement drivers seat for my eldest's Escort van .

The final tally was £20 for the whole lot, well pleased with that as £10 of that was for the seat :)

MOT for my Jeep tomorrow, I guess that will curtail my build progress for a few days

alga
19th October 2010, 11:44 AM
It's really simple, Ronnie. You're right, it's a function of a stock ECU with a lambda sensor. Most aftermarket ECUs do this as well. Closed Loop is when the ECU adjusts fuelling in a feedback loop: too much unburnt oxygen in the exhaust -- increase fuel, too little -- decrease fuel. This way the engine operates very close to the ideal stoichiometric air/fuel ratio by constantly oscillating around it.

alga
19th October 2010, 04:04 PM
BTW, here's a nice site about Ford EFI systems with a gentle introduction:
http://fordfuelinjection.com/

I'm going to try and get the stock ECU to work, too.

Bonzo
19th October 2010, 04:24 PM
Thank you for that link :cool:

I will have a darn good read of the info there :)

big_wasa
19th October 2010, 06:16 PM
The zetec runs really nice on the standard ecu. Ive done 7 now I think.

I did my mates and it passed iva on that side of it first time.

Mine (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKqeCjdBM0w)

If any one locall is breaking an st170 or 2.0 duratec I would love a go at wiring one of them.

fabbyglass
19th October 2010, 07:03 PM
All this ecu business baffles me why can't things be simple anymore...:o

big_wasa
19th October 2010, 07:10 PM
All this ecu business baffles me why can't things be simple anymore...:o

They are simple :D easier than that sticky smelly resin stuff :p

twinturbo
19th October 2010, 07:11 PM
It is simple.

TT

fabbyglass
20th October 2010, 04:04 PM
They are simple :D easier than that sticky smelly resin stuff :p

I beg to differ on that one as wiring is sent by the devil....:)

Bonzo
20th October 2010, 09:51 PM
Personally, I am torn between the Two :confused:

I have the patience to mess about with wiring but I do like the smell of resin & enjoy working with the stuff :o :o

Must have a kinky streak there somewhere :D

Bonzo
22nd October 2010, 11:27 AM
Not too much progress with the build since midweek, been a little tied up doing other things.

That said, I went out to the workshop for a tidy up & took the fancy of having a crack at wiring the engine up .... Yep, that's me .... Working in an entirely random manner.
This is probably not the best way of doing things but it make me feel good & at least it contributes towards crossing another job from the list :o

Some of you may have read in the electrics section of the forum, I ran into a wee bit of a problem !!??
This is a continuation of that thread really but being as it is some progress, I thought I would post my result's here ;)

Thinking that I would get right back to basics, I sat down the other evening & went through the ECU & Engine management diagrams.

Took a spare EEC IV plug & labeled all of the tails .... Here's a picture of the end product.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/EECIVPulg.jpg

The tag's have all been checked, then double checked & thanks to Enoch, I was able to check once more from a chart that he kindly sent me :)

To be honest, when you sit down & really study the engines wiring diagrams, it is really quite straightforward ( That's going to come back & bite me !! )

My plan is to make up a custom engine loom to suit .... Just a personal preference really, that way I will have a loom that is tidy & will fit, where I want it to fit.
I guess it will also save the effort of trying to bundle up those extra feet of cable out of the way.

Next job is to do a little research into what sensor wires coming from the ECU I will not need.

A few spring to mind as possible definates .... Air conditioning wires, Power steering pressure switch, canister purge solenoid

A couple of not sure's .... Gearbox speed sensor ? & Inertia cut off switch ?

That's where I am at the moment, i'll not be working on the build for the next week, sadly I have other things that need to be done.

Keep you all posted folks.

mr henderson
22nd October 2010, 12:26 PM
Next job is to do a little research into what sensor wires coming from the ECU I will not need.

A few spring to mind as possible definates .... Air conditioning wires, Power steering pressure switch, canister purge solenoid

A couple of not sure's .... Gearbox speed sensor ? & Inertia cut off switch ?



Some of the sensors may not be needed from your point of view, but it is possible that the ecu won't like being disconnected from them. I really don't know if that would happen in your case, but it might be worth allowing for if you can't get any hard info on it.

In the case of the inertia switch, I would imagine that the ecu would want that, although you could delete if you know which way round it is and join the correct wires (IOW if the switch is normally on (my guess) or normally off)

twinturbo
22nd October 2010, 12:57 PM
The inertia switch usualy sits in line with the fuel pump feed to cut the pump in the event of a heavy impact or rollover.

Omiting some of he other things ( CANP ) will most likly throw a ECU error, however they will probably not affect the running. We have many sierra members running 24V Granada engines with both the Emissions gear and Autobox actuators removed. In some cases measuring the initial resistance of the Sensor or actuator and replacing it with a normal fixed resistor has worked in some instances.

TT

Bonzo
22nd October 2010, 03:50 PM
A very valid point indeed Mr H :)

The " Will the ECU be looking for a signal ? " has crossed my mind & as such, I need to keep an open mind on this particular subject.
Yes, I will make sure that I do as much research as possible ;)

Rob

A fixed value resistor has also crossed my mind .... I guess the trick there is finding the value the ECU is looking for.
Again, plenty of reading to do as yet :)

To be honest chaps, I am only going this route for the challenge & in the hope that I manage to learn something in the process .... Hopefully i'll learn more than just " should have left the wiring alone " :D

big_wasa
22nd October 2010, 09:31 PM
The canister purge does throw a code but as said doesnt stop it running and running well.

Ive got three codes on mine, all for the emmision's crap that went in the bin.

The speed sensor, I havnt used it on mine yet but may retro fit it when ive done a bit more testing. Its meant to do things like like cut the fuel on over run ect.

Bonzo
29th October 2010, 07:49 PM
No time for my build since last week .... Working my way through a list of other things that needed doing

Last Saturday was a nice little trip up to Exeter show, had a grand day out indeed :cool:

Knowing I needed the workshop to make a start on the MOT work on my Jeep Monday, I had a very quick tidy up on Sunday & made a start on an aux fuel tank I had been asked to fabricate for a motor X bike

Here's the completed tank.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/Davestank.jpg

Not the nicest thing I have ever produced but I had a very tough brief for this little job .... Must cost very little ( Cheap ) & use whatever materials I had kicking about. :rolleyes:

I would have loved to make it in alloy to replicate the pattern given to me .... Unfortunately, out of the budget range for this particular jobby.
Guess it didn't turn out too bad in view of the limited materials available !!??

Jeep went through it's re-test this morning so that's that job out of the way until next year.

This afternoon saw my eldest's tatty Escort van enter the workshop for MOT work, I ain't kidding, it's a minger !!
Told him last year that was the last MOT for it but here we are once again !!??
All of my favourite jobs to do ( NOT ) Spring hangers to weld, lower wishbone & CV boot to change .... Rest of the job's are quickies.

That will definately be the last MOT job I do until next autumn.

As per title, counting the days down so as I can get back to work on the Roadster .... I have a strong urge to get the engine up & running real soon :D

Bonzo
15th July 2011, 02:56 PM
Firstly, I can't believe that it has been over 8 months since I last made any real progress with my build !!??

Last weekend saw the arrival of our 4th Grandchild .... A healthy little girl named Chloe :)

Being as the wife is now clucky clucky I have taken full advantage of the situation & in true Bonzo style, I have ditched work on the kitchen n hidden myself away in the workshop .... Well, we can't have that little one breathing in all of that nasty dust & things can we ? :D

Now to the point of this post.

All change on the engine front, out with the Zetec & in with the Vauxhall C20XE Redtop engine.

Here's a couple of progress pictures.

http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/Redtop1.jpg


http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj266/Bonzoronnie/Redtop4.jpg


The engine is now more or less where I want it to be but I have a few niggles to overcome !!??

Front of the engine is a tad too high for the GRP bonnet

Not much room for the air intake using the stock inlet manifold.

Fuel pressure regulator is going to get in the way, no big deal as I can bypass that & fit my aftermarket fuel regulator unit.

I had given some thought into lowering the engine a little more but the Omegas bell housing is already 30mm below the chassis rails & after reading Rob's recent thread, lowering the engine further might not be a good idea !!

I have a fair bit of room to move the engine further over towards the passenger side, the crankshaft more or less follows the centre line of the chassis at the moment.
If I move the engine off centre, how will this affect the dynamics of the car ??
It would certainly give me more room to fit the air intake.

Don't know if anyone has any thoughts on the subject of engine alignment.

Hope to get a little more done over the weekend.

K4KEV
15th July 2011, 04:23 PM
First uj on the prop will allow for any "misalignment" of the crank in any direction
oh and nice to see you back to PROPER work:D go Ronnie go go go;)

BORNXenon
15th July 2011, 04:29 PM
Nice choice of engine!
I have a modded X20XEV sat in the corner of my garage at the moment which I am considering using if I go down the Sierra route.
I'm waiting to see the Saturn MX-5 plans first, although I'm certain which route I go down will depend greatly on the availability of the donor.
Really struggling to find a Sierra for the kind of money I want to pay (not very much)!! :)

Are you using an Omega Gearbox or a Ford Type9 with the Belhousing adapter?

Bonzo
15th July 2011, 05:26 PM
First uj on the prop will allow for any "misalignment" of the crank in any direction
oh and nice to see you back to PROPER work:D go Ronnie go go go;)



Kinda of my line of reason Kev

I didn't realy enjoy the first day or so back on the build but have now managed to catch a healthy dose of enthusiasm :cool:

I have seen a few pictures of 7's fitted with an offset engine so I guess the prop should be able to cope !!??

Looking at the photos, if I can shift the engine 20mm ish over to the passenger side, I can probably get that engine 75 - 100 mm further back & that would probably resolve the bonnet clearance issue.

Just thinking aloud here ..... Would the engine offset to the passenger side better ballance the car ??
Just thinking, all the heavy stuff like the starter, alternator & inlet manifold is on the drivers side of the engine.


BORNXenon

Thought about buying a bell housing for the type 9 gearbox but in the end went for the type R25-R28 Omega box that came out of a 2.5 litre v6 Omega :)

BORNXenon
15th July 2011, 05:39 PM
Its a good strong box, I believe they also used it attached to the 3.2v6 in the elite models, should handle quite a bit of poke.

michael92
6th September 2011, 04:31 PM
Hey bonzo :) may i ask a little question regarding your clutch,

as you may know I too am using this gearbox along with my x25xe and was wondering what sort of master cylinder to slap on. do you reckon a non integral master would work just fine? :)

Michael

Bonzo
6th September 2011, 04:59 PM
Hi Michael

To be honest, I havn't delved too far into the best clutch master cylinder to use.

Managed to sort out Borg & Beck clutch kit but sill need to sort out a spacer for the concentric slave cylinder, then decide on what master cylinder will give me the throw needed.

My gut feeling is that I will not need too big a master cylinder & kinda hope that the Volvo one I have sitting on my shelf may do the trick :)

If all else fails, I am sure these guys will have the answer ;)

QED Motorsport (http://qedmotorsport.co.uk/)

Not touched my build for quite a while but will try & keep this tread up to date :)

AshG
6th September 2011, 07:23 PM
have got a 0.75 on mine but im thinking of changing it to a 0.65 over winter as its a bit heavy to be honest

AshG
6th September 2011, 07:24 PM
oh and ronnie... that xe is screaming throttle bodies at me :D

Bonzo
6th September 2011, 08:32 PM
Much thanks for the info :)

The Volvo MC is quite small, I suspect quite close to .65

Got a set of Fireblade throttle bodies & MS here, that said the Fireblade ones are probably a bit small for the Redtop engine.

Was Kinda giving some thought into Jenveys for an easy life, gonna cost a packet though :eek: