Suspension Bushes

[degmwilliams]

why are the Suspension Bushes £104.70 on 3ge and only £55.00 from gts? How can they be so different in price?

[David_17]

Steering racks seem quite cheap on there too. And boss adapters for steering wheels.

[rpjg1975]

I have never had any dealings with gts and i'm sure there are some good items available but from the looks of the rear top wishbone adjusters I would be dubious of any items..... :confused:

[twinturbo]

Stuff from 3ge is made of metal and nylon, stuff from GTS is made using a light mixture of Nitrogen,oxygen and minor gasses.

TT

[james3004]

pmsl at TT, :D
I'd personally go for the 3GE ones!!!

[tkpm]

I went for the 3ge ones and they are perfect :cool:

[dan_g8]

you get what you pay for .... go for 3ge. ive tried using cheaper ones but they are never the correct size!
there are only 2 companies that i trust, Talon motorsport and 3ge for the bits that talon dont sell.

[RAYLEE29]

My bushes cost £15 for the material I made them from delrin not the same as poly ones but im happy with them.
of course i machined them myself so that helped too.
my crush tubes cost £3.50 for material from local scrap yard and yes it was stainless but kin hard to machine
Ray:)

[ozzy1]

Lots of people here have had problems with GTS if you look through old threads so i wouldnt bother unless you dont mind waiting 6 months for your parts .:eek:
SATURN also do them for 98quid and at least you can get hold of handyandy or spud on here if you have any probs.

http://www.saturnsportscars.co.uk/store/index.php?_a=viewCat&catId=18

[rpjg1975]

I have got a lot of my bits from saturn including the bushes and crush tubes and the quality of the items and workmanship is first class. wouldn't hesitate to recommend spud and andy to anyone. They are both more than willing to go the extra mile for customers
Russ

[Airhead]

They are both more than willing to go the extra mile for customers
Russ


I'd second that but add that they'll go the extra mile even if you're not a customer!!

[twinturbo]

They are both more than willing to go the extra mile for customers
Russ

I can definatly say they go the extra mile. Had a slight issue and Spud had it resolved quicker than a quick thing in quick land being chased by a quickthing eating monster. :)

TT

[twinturbo]

you get what you pay for

:D Not always true... :eek:

TT

[flyerncle]

Saturn or 3GE you will be guaranteed quality,certain others you will get nothing ! as per previos posts.

Caveat Emptor (Buyer beware)

[dan_g8]

:D Not always true... :eek:

TT

haha true, it is gts after all .................

[alga]

Saturn also sell the bush kits for a few pounds less than 3GE.

[3GE Components]

Obvioulsy I can't comment on other companies bush kits, only our own.

We produce our own kits, we don't buy from other companies and add a mark up. We use stainless steel for the crush tubes not mild steel, these are machined from solid bar on a CNC lathe to high tolerances. We don't use thick wall tube cut on a band saw (I've seen this done)

Yes, we are a bit more, but that's because of the cost of the materials and method of manufacture that we use.

For comparison I've listed everyones bush kits below along with a picture of their product, prices include VAT & postage....

GTS.....£64.63



Rally Design....£96.50



Saturn Sports Cars....£108


3GE Components....£112.70

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/3GEComponents/bush20kits20yw_200x0.jpg


Kind regards

John

[Davey]

Silicone grease should be fine Adrian, that's what I intend to use on my final build up.

Interesting that all but 3GE's bush sets use the same photograph?

D.

[degmwilliams]

Still the UK's biggest & cheapest range of parts to suit the Haynes Roadster!

3ge, how can you use this quote under your name when you have listed the price of 4 sets of bushers and pins and you are the most expensive? Isnt it contradicting your slogan? Im not trying to cause an argument but think they are expensive.

[twinturbo]

woooooaaa


lets not get into a supplier slagging match.


TT

[Eternal]

I think 3ge is saying his are different as they are....

"We produce our own kits, we don't buy from other companies and add a mark up. We use stainless steel for the crush tubes not mild steel, these are machined from solid bar on a CNC lathe to high tolerances. We don't use thick wall tube cut on a band saw (I've seen this done)"

So his product is different than the rest and thus is priced different. Im sure he would sell them for less if he was selling the stock item. Well thats the way i see it anyhow lol.

[alga]

FWIW, Saturn also claim their crush tubes are CNC machined in stainless steel. I wonder if the photos let us infer that bushes the same across these three places. Also, the product code on RD is DAR003, which seems to suggest that Darren@GTSTuning is the original supplier.

[spud69]

Just seen this thread as i've been mostly away from the forum for a bit.

Basically i think everyone's bush tubes are the same but its not them that are the expensive part its the stainless crush tubes. The s/s rod is expensive to buy and then you need the facilities to turn and drill the rod to make the thick walled crush tubes. Saturn doesn't have these facilities so we buy them in. Cheaper versions maybe mild steel which will be okay for a bit but will soon rust. There are a few parts that Saturn will sell at just above cost, not to make many but to provide a service to other builders.

A few other people use copper slip grease to lubricate the crush tubes to which will stop most of the greasing but will need re-applying every few thousand miles.

The last thing we need is a slagging match just let people make up their own minds.

(Edit) just noticed the RD reference, please check first as these are not the same size as the Haynes roadster crush tubes. Also the price is for 8 and you will need 22 pairs.

Take it easy.....AndyH

[3GE Components]

Still the UK's biggest & cheapest range of parts to suit the Haynes Roadster!

3ge, how can you use this quote under your name when you have listed the price of 4 sets of bushers and pins and you are the most expensive? Isnt it contradicting your slogan? Im not trying to cause an argument but think they are expensive.

Hi Deg,

You're right, not the best of quotes to have for that post :D

Andy's right, the expensive part is the crush tube, stainless steel is expensive & so is CNC'ing, which is why our bush kits are fairly close on price.

That slogans been there for ages, for reference our prices have remained fixed for nearly 2 years. When the cost of materials started to rise, we kept our prices the same and didn't pass the cost on to the customer, in fact the only time we changed our prices was at the start of the year when we found a cheaper steel supplier for the tube and reduced our prices.

It's also worth remebering to compare like with like, for examle, our chassis's are £770, more expensive than others but they include all the tubes and all the chassis plates, and have a few extra tubes to add rigidity to the chassis, mounts for a Polo radiator and a pedal box welded in place.

We also include postage in our calculations, unless you are very fortunate to live within travelling distance of any of the suppliers this is something you'll have to pay. Back in December we started free postage for all orders, this was something we were able to keep going for 5 months, until the couriers started to increase prices as fuel costs esculated. Even now, the most you will pay is £10 if you are in main land UK, the only exception to this is a complete chassis (as we can't find any courier who's will to deliver one for £10) :)


Anyway, enough of my waffling....

Kind regards

John

[dan_g8]

Hi Deg,

We also include postage in our calculations, unless you are very fortunate to live within travelling distance of any of the suppliers this is something you'll have to pay.



And that is why i use saturn as a last resort ..... good products, good blokes but postage is added to every item. i was going to place an order with them until i worked out that the postage would have come over £50!
My view is that saturn may be cheaper if you are buying a single item but if your buying lots of bits 3ge will be cheaper ........

[spud69]

And that is why i use saturn as a last resort ..... good products, good blokes but postage is added to every item. i was going to place an order with them until i worked out that the postage would have come over £50!
My view is that saturn may be cheaper if you are buying a single item but if your buying lots of bits 3ge will be cheaper ........

Sorry Dan, but we don't have the facilities to provide on the stores for multiple shipments. When people contact us i normally just say to select delivery for the largest item which covers the rest.

Know what you mean though, when you order smaller items once you have added the VAT and delivery it will double the price of the item....:confused:

Regards....AndyH

[fabbyglass]

It's good to have competition as long as everyone plays nicely so be nice and don't you dare buy seats anywhere else other than from my wee daughter:D

Poor old Darren, he is actually a nice bloke when you meet him it's just that he is a tad unorganised;)

[twinturbo]

http://www.ekmpowershop9.com/ekmps/shops/gtstuning/images/haynes-rear-upright.jpg

I see they own the JBA Falcon now, I actually saw one last weekend :)

TT

[baz-r]

do superflex do bushes to fit the roadster?
i know thay do ones like this but not sure of the dimentions?

[3GE Components]

Hi Baz,

Yes they do, they are around £225 a set.

Kind regards

John

[ghostrain]

Obvioulsy I can't comment on other companies bush kits, only our own.

We produce our own kits, we don't buy from other companies and add a mark up. We use stainless steel for the crush tubes not mild steel, these are machined from solid bar on a CNC lathe to high tolerances. We don't use thick wall tube cut on a band saw (I've seen this done)

Yes, we are a bit more, but that's because of the cost of the materials and method of manufacture that we use.

For comparison I've listed everyones bush kits below along with a picture of their product, prices include VAT & postage....

GTS.....£64.63

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/3GEComponents/polybush20set.jpg

Rally Design....£96.50

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/3GEComponents/polybush20set.jpg

Saturn Sports Cars....£108

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/3GEComponents/polybush20set.jpg

3GE Components....£112.70

http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af35/3GEComponents/bush20kits20yw_200x0.jpg


Kind regards

John

Quite one of the most ambiguous postings I have seen on a forum....first of all the photos shown of 8 bushes are all of Rally Design bushes lifted from our website....the copyright of such photos is held by the photographer and permission to reproduce has to be sought from the owner,to my knowledge 3GE components has not sought such permission....one of the leading Rally sport catalogue companies ignored this ownership and once Rally Design and Demon Tweeks lawyers had finished their action the settlement was over £80k,be warned there is often more value in photos and text than the product it shows. OK your photo shows only 8 Rally Design bushes against 22 3GE bushes yet your prices seem to suggest otherwise. Looking on the 3GE Website 22 bushes are listed at £104.70, £4.76 each,the Rally Design Website PB121,Locost bush are £28.00 set 8,£3.50 each....Rally Design is cheaper.
Also our crush tubes are 316 stainless,CNC hi-speed machined,also note that the Polybushes are injection moulded using the correct Shore hardness of polyurethane. Before the get what you pay for brigade come rolling in....the reason our bushes are so competitive is we machine the crush washers 5000 batch and because our poly is injection moulded there is no machined scrap, its all about investment in tooling for the longer term which is why RD are so competitive on so many products. You should ask if the bushes have been machined from the correct hardness of Urethane or Nylon if you want to avoid unnecessary harshness. The method of cold pouring to produce bushes as used by Superflex or Powerflex produces a quality high compliant bush but the amount of hand finishing is why their bushes tend to be expensive.
Don't normally get involved in arguments on these forums but this posting was so misleading and factually incorrect I couldn't resist making a response. By the way great to see so many of you at Stoneleigh.

[vetteman1355]

Just getting started here on our three Canadian builds (two chassis's almost done will post pics soon).
I ordered all the suspension parts needed and chassis plate kits from Andrew at Saturn and am so pleased with the level of service and quality, the shipping cost was very good considering the products came half way across the world and were here in four days. As far as I am concerned this is what makes a company great. I have not dealt with the other companies referred to on this thread but will definitely be buying more parts from Saturn down the road.

Nigel

[baz-r]

Hi Baz,

Yes they do, they are around £225 a set.

Kind regards

John

:eek: ouch :mad: oh
only asked as its the only co. that i know of that make this type of thing for a sole living.

wish i still worked as a cnc repair tec i could knock up and bung in a program to a couple of lathes poping them out by the second :cool:

[spud69]

Hello,

You're correct there Ghostrain, the image was used from Rally Designs when i setup the website as we didn't have polybushes in to take pics of, the pics have now been changed. We have a different supplier for the bushes and like RD they are injection moulded and turned Stainless for the crush tubes. Prices seem to be very similar across the board when you add VAT and packaging. Again, pic has been changed to our own.

Nigel, thanks for the post - its good to hear everything is okay and hope you are getting on with your builds.

Thanks....AndyH

[K4KEV]

just wondering....does it have to be stainless steel for its corrosion resistance to tinworm or is it to do with inherant strength.
I am sure someone will put me right here:rolleyes: but could galvanised steel do the same job and still have tinworm resistance?

[mark]

The bushes actually ride on the tube so a galv coating on mild steel wouldnt last very long at all!

Mild steel will also wear away quicker than the stainless

[degmwilliams]

HI K4KEV, I think the idea with stainless is to stop all the red rusty water marks as they are on show, steel ones would look shit after a few months and could prove to be abit of a problem if you wanted to remove the bolt due to a build up of rust.

[K4KEV]

Have to confess I had already guessed that would be the case....ok then what about this.....nickel or chrome plated mild steel both elements are very hard wearing and there are now electroless methods of plating that do not use nasty chemicals.

[mark]

Have to confess I had already guessed that would be the case....ok then what about this.....nickel or chrome plated mild steel both elements are very hard wearing and there are now electroless methods of plating that do not use nasty chemicals.

By the time you make them and pay to get them plated etc you might as well have bought stainless steel ones :D

And i bet the stainless ones would still last longer :p

[twinturbo]

You would also have to make sure that the plating was not thick enough to make getting the bolt in a problem

TT