Rollbar Bolts

[brainbug007]

How long should the bolts be for RB1 & 2?

[flyerncle]

Any bolts used for any fitting should have enough length for a washer either side and enough thread through the locknut to be seen by Mr IVA.

For anything fitting the roll bar I used 10mm bolts,17mm spanner size and plated domed cap screws on the top plates and these are 12.9 tensile.

[brainbug007]

Do you know if the one's screwfix sells are 12.9?

[davylock]

Do you know if the one's screwfix sells are 12.9?

Screwfix's HT BZP bolts and setscrews seem to be 8.8 but the Stainless ones are only 4.sumat as I found out when I bought some M10 x 25 for the caliper mounts. Still, they might come in handy somewhere in the build thats not too critical.

[brainbug007]

so where can I get stronger ones like 12.9's?

[davylock]

so where can I get stronger ones like 12.9's?

Think you'll need to ring a nut and bolt specialist, I use FR Scott in Hull
( 01482 324731 ), but don't know if they will post out, but they will sell individual pieces, not boxes of 100. Or you could try trawling around ebay, Dave.

[mark]

so where can I get stronger ones like 12.9's?

They aren't really required, apparently the 8off 8.8 bolts that hold the roll bar on will be stronger than where the plate is welded to the chassis

Its always nice to slightly over engineer safety features if you wish though

[TSM Locost]

Any type you want www.namrick.co.uk.

[brainbug007]

nice one tsm, that's a good link :)

[gaz05]

I've welded in 8mm nuts as the book says. I hope thats ok for IVA or I'm screwed

[flyerncle]

Stainless is brittle and I would not use stainless bolts in a safety role, standard bolts are stamped 8.8 end higher spec allen/cap screws could be used.

I have used plated domed cap screws in the top plates in 10 mm,over engineerd for that bit extra as Mark say's.

[HandyAndy]

I've welded in 8mm nuts as the book says. I hope thats ok for IVA or I'm screwed

You,ll be ok Gaz , as Mark says, those 8 bolts holding the roll hoop to the chassis will be as strong if not stronger that the welds around the suspension boxes ,
When I was fitting my rear back stays there was a discussion about how many bolts should be used to secure them to the chassis....some said 1, some said 2.....I,ve used 4 on each side so in effect I have 16 8.8 strength bolts holding my roll bar/back stays to the chassis....should be enough :eek: :D

cheers
andy

[TSM Locost]

I read somewhere that all vehicle construction bolts should be a min 8.8 sierra use 10.9 holding the front brake callipers on as std. Ford would not spend money on 10.9 bolts if 8.8 would be ok.
The majority of stainless bolts sold will be A2 unless specified as A4. Screwfix do list A4 as an option although i suspect that most IVA inspectors would not accept A4 in stressed areas.

Stainless A2-70 = 700N/mm2 Tensile Strength 450 N/mm2 Yield Strength
Stainless A4-80 = 800N/mm2 Tensile Strength 600 N/mm2 Yield Strength
Normal Steel 8.8 = 800N/mm2 Tensile Strength 640 N/mm2 Yield Strength



Hope that Helps.

[Bonzo]

Try here for 10.9 high tensile fixings ;)

Shop4Fasteners (http://www.shop4fasteners.co.uk/acatalog/Socket_Button_Head_Screws_Zinc_Plated.asp)

Have a good poke arround in their store, they have a mountain of fixings available :cool:

Not the cheapest on the net but by far the biggest range of fixings ;)

[brainbug007]

So I'm still a bit unclear about the length's I should use, I know I need a bit of thread visible after it's screwed in but I'd to go and buy ones that are too long or too short. Can anyone tell me what length's they used?

[SeriesLandy]

3mm plate x2 + height of the nut ~8mm + 1mm washer = 15mm so a 20mm bolt would be fine. I think 16mm would be too short.

[brainbug007]

/Cool, same again for the stays at the back?

[flyerncle]

The Ford upgrade I would think is because of the potential shear forces involved in a stationary object trying to stop a rotating mass and as stated Ford must have got it right.

Over engineered won't hurt........

[brainbug007]

Hmm been digging on those two sites and can't see the 10.9 or 12.9 nuts only 8.8 nuts? Will it be ok to use 8.8 nuts with 12.9 bolts?

[flyerncle]

Bolt grade is more important,could be wrong but nut does not need marking for IVA and as stated before you dont need a roll bar.