How much for a rebore and pistons?

[gaz05]

Well I've stripped the 2.0L zetec I got last week and it really needs a rebore. So anyone had a short engine rebuild recently and what did it cost?

Gudgeon pin on these is shrunk in so that'll have to be done by a pro as well.

[twinturbo]

gona be arround £400 for pistons and rings alone.

TT

[gaz05]

Not looking too good then. May have to have a rethink.

[minicountryman1961]

gona be arround £400 for pistons and rings alone.

TT

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pistons-Rings-Ford-ZETEC-2-0-VIN-3-DOHC-/260708837569?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb37528c1

order from the USA, $99 + $54 shipping.

[minicountryman1961]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Pistons-Rings-Ford-ZETEC-2-0-VIN-3-DOHC-/260708837569?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item3cb37528c1

order from the USA, $99 + $54 shipping.

154.00 USD = 94.88 GBP

[twinturbo]

Forgot about the americans.

Gona have import duties and vat on top of that mind. Which you can never quite guess what they will put on top.

TT

[gaz05]

Been speaking to a local rebore company and he reckons about £350 to bore and supply pistons and rings with the gudgeons fitted. He needs to see the pistons first but the price may be even lower.

I want the car to be the best I can get it so am going to see him Friday.

[AshG]

just buy a new engine. gbs will sell you one for £650

[adrianreeve]

Agree with Ash, unless you want to use the opportunity to go to 2.1l, it's probably better to start with new. If you're having a rebore, you'll need new bearing all round, and it would be false economy not to replace oil and water pumps, and cam belt. The costs will soon be more than a new engine. Alternatively, get another one from the scrappy, cheap as chips, and there are loads of good ones out there.

Cheers

Adrian

[Bonzo]

I woud have to agree with Ash & Adrian :)

Been there & done that a few times .... Never works out as cheap as you thought it was going to be !!??

As said, once the re-bore has been done it would be madness not to do the crankshaft bearings, the majority of the time this will involve a crank re-grind.

Once that lot has been done it'll be time to examine the head ?? If the bores are badly worn then the cam followers are not going to be much better, nor the valves & seats for that matter !!

Gaskets, head bolts & pumps to be added onto the final total :eek:

By the time that little lot is added up, a crate engine from GBS seems like a bargain.

If you don't want to spend that sort of cash, you should be able to find a good, used 2 litre zetec engine for not a lot of money ;) :)

Unless an engine is exotic or difficult to get hold of, engine re-building tends to turn out being a money pit.

[AshG]

zetecs were designed to be a throw away item, rebuilding them is always a costly adventure.


bearings £100
Pistons £300-400ish
oil seals £80
Cambelt £50
water pump £35
full gasket set £100
then machining £100 ish

i ask why bother even after you have done all that you still have worn out cam gear rods etc etc.

spend £650 get one with everything all new.

there are two real options with zetecs

buy an old one for 50p and run it until it goes bang then get another one for 50p and do the same again

or buy a new one.

if you are totally confident that the head is good then you could just buy a new short block but it seems like a lot of bother for an old engine.

[minicountryman1961]

Forgot about the americans.

Gona have import duties and vat on top of that mind. Which you can never quite guess what they will put on top.

TT

Don't know how it works going into the UK. In years of buying by mailorder and EBAY from the UK to the USA I have never been charged import duty or sales tax. (we don't have VAT). I think they have decided that the paperwork isn't worth the amount they would collect. When we register our cars in Illinois, we have to show receipts for the parts we used in the build. If the parts were bought outside the state, we have to pay sales tax on them to register and license the car. This is around 7%.


For me, getting VAT taken off the price of UK goods really helps take the sting out of the high shipping costs to the USA. I have had some items show up on my doorstep from the UK in less than a week. ( I never pay for speedy delivery)

[twinturbo]

Don't know how it works going into the UK.

They charge you, then they charge you for charging you and then they leavy a tax on that as the act of charging you and charging you for charging you has obviously added some value.

TT

[gaz05]

I take on board all the comments lads. I wanted a pre 95 so I wouldn't have to bother with cat etc. I spent ages looking for one before this came up.

The deal for new zetecs thats often on the internet is amazing. Brand spanking new 2.0L with 140+ bhp for £700!!!

But then I would have to fork out for ignition and injection systems and a cat. And then have to face stricter emmision tests. Mind you I might get a 12 Plate;) Or a 13 plate if it keeps soaking money up like this.

Dunno what to do now.

[baz-r]

zetecs were designed to be a throw away item, rebuilding them is always a costly adventure.


bearings £100
Pistons £300-400ish
oil seals £80
Cambelt £50
water pump £35
full gasket set £100
then machining £100 ish



my god where you buying stuff from? my full gasket kit with seals cost me £35 and waterpump £16 head bolts £6 timing belt £17 and full set of shells for less than £40.

if your going to go down diffrent engine route i might be after a set of 2.0 silvertop cams :D

[mark]

I take on board all the comments lads. I wanted a pre 95 so I wouldn't have to bother with cat etc. I spent ages looking for one before this came up.

The deal for new zetecs thats often on the internet is amazing. Brand spanking new 2.0L with 140+ bhp for £700!!!

But then I would have to fork out for ignition and injection systems and a cat. And then have to face stricter emmision tests. Mind you I might get a 12 Plate;) Or a 13 plate if it keeps soaking money up like this.

Dunno what to do now.

Just use an old engine ie cvh for iva then change to a new zetec or a newer one from a scrappy without having to find an old pre 95 one to suit emmisions

This is what i did and found an st170 engine in the scrappy with only 33k on the clock, by the time i sold the inlet manifold, starter motor etc it only owes me £200 :D (im still quite chuffed with this fact!)

You couldnt rebuild an old zetec for that much

[snapper]

Not worth the expense, by the time you have added bearings and gaskets it will be close to GBS crate engine price.
I would buy another second hand one.

[gaz05]

Not worth the expense, by the time you have added bearings and gaskets it will be close to GBS crate engine price.
I would buy another second hand one.

That's the trouble. They're ten a penny down south but I live oop North. Proper North that is. Not bloody brum or Nottingham.

Seeing the engine Borers tomorrow. I'll make a decision after that. It's not looking good for this engine though.

[baz-r]

can i have the cams then ;)

[gaz05]

I'm going to hang on to them Baz. Sorry.

The cheapest the engine guy can get pistons for is £75 each so that makes this engine scrap. I'm still going to hang on for a Zetec so I'll put the head and sump etc away until something turns up.

[baz-r]

try kar engine services on Tel: 01271 345614
where i got my bits from

could just bung a new set of rings in and make do until after iva
sounds the best plan to me
i bet the bores are not all that bad as long as there is no scratching should be fine

[gaz05]

The bores have a quite defined wear ridge. That would worry me when putting new rings in in case they hit the ridge and get damaged. Unless you can get stepped rings.

I see what Ash was saying now though about these being a throw away item. They can't really be bored or have a crank regrind.

No it's definitely a scrapper. I'll keep looking.

[baz-r]

there is a tool called a ridge reamer for such a problem

personaly almost all engines i have had appart have this unworn band. while i was at collage i did a bit of casual work in a engine rebuilders/machine shop
the old boy that ran the show would just run his fingernail up and down it if it hooked up on the ridge it got reamed off and if it slid over it it was fine.
been as the new ring is traveling exactly to the same point and zetec top rings have a chanferd top and bottom corners you should be ok

you could just put it all back together as is with some new gaskets get yor car through iva then bung in a brand new one then it would be a bolt in job or you thort about a service exchange(recon) short or long engine that would be another option

my engine cot me 50quid with loads of odds and ends i looked at it as what have i got to louse at least i could flog off some of the bits and get my money back. new zetecs are cheap but all the extra hassle of fitting an old cvh then converting it over after or new and extra emmisions for iva and all the cars life was not worth it for me.
i have rebilt mine for much less than a recon, used low milage(usualy of unkown helth) or a new one so im happy. i have uprated the big end bolts, fitted under piston oil jets and shortened the sump while i had it appart

you still have plenty of options dont worry about it ;)