Got a new engine!!

[Tilly819]

10 points if you now what it is! its an easy one

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tilly

[deezee]

Is it the K20?

[Tilly819]

not quite but almost

[twinturbo]

well the picture is dreadful.

it's a 4pot twin cam, probably 16V.

One would guess 2.0.


S2000?

[twinturbo]

picture changed.....

[les g]

ummm s2000
cheers les g

[monsterob]

jammy bugger bet it set you back a pretty penny tho ? or have the prices on these engines dropped?
:cool:

[Tilly819]

it was not cheep but i got it for less than the going rate. prices have dropped a bit also which helped

wanted that engine when i was first building the chassis but just could not afford it. but good things come to those who weight :D

tilly

[monsterob]

id be over the moon with that id love one in any chassis ! even an old mobility scooter chassis !! i had a b16a1 in a mini clubman went like stink ! i hope you know what youve let yourself in for !

its going to be fun especially when it hits the magical vtec point ! which you know is movable and programable ? just dont use cheap chips off egay. would love a go when youve got it in there.

actually ive not actually been out in any roadster erm ...... anyone help me out ?

lol :D

[monsterob]

new side panel required aswell bummer ?

[Tilly819]

yeh its looking promising for a nice fit im going to have to chop the trans tunnel abit and make a new pedal box, carnt wait for the Vtec,

i have a cunning plan for the side pannel that i think will look good but i might keep that as a surprise as if i go ahead with it i expect everyone will want one *grin*

tilly

[AshG]

finally got fedup with the bike engine then. told you you would. im suprised you need to chop the tt. i managed to get a big fat omega box in mine without changing a thing on the chassis.

[monsterob]

managed to get a big fat omega box in mine without changing a thing on the chassis.


wish youd said that about a year ago ash id have got mr handy andy to knock me a whole chassis up saved time and heartache ! still getting closer !:D

[Tilly819]

finally got fedup with the bike engine then. told you you would.

It threw a rod, lol would love to have another bike engine but since i have the opotunety to try something else i thought i would

i think it might fit without chopping the tunnel but i want to get it as far back as i can

tilly

[mark]

Document your build well as thats what will be going in mine once im bored with the st motor :rolleyes:

My brother had an s2000 for a while,they are superb engines only thing they lack on the road in the s2000 is torque as they only make 150lbs/ft and as soon as you get into 3rd and 4th they aint that quick but that isnt going to matter in a roadster as its half the weight :D that is going to be one seriously quick roadster with very useable power

My st motor switches the vvt at 3k where the power is around 110bhp and by 4500 its 185bhp and thats a good kick up the arse!

I know that the s2000 makes 150bhp pre vtec then up to 240 so you are gonna have some serious fun when it kicks in!

Wouldnt bother using a vtec controller just leave it set at factory position (6k if i remember right) i had one on my integra and you loose the kick you get when it comes in if you have it switching lower and you dont really make any more power lower down the revs anyway

Ps. Im jelous.

[CTWV50]

If you don't mind me asking, how much was it and where did you buy it. PM me if you don't want to disclose publicly. Dreamed about one of these engines....maybe one day, after I've done everything else, like built the car!!

[Tilly819]

hi mark, i started modding the tunnel today should have it done by tomorrow afternoon i think, i have taken a couple of photos so i might post them tomorrow night after iv finished welding in the new tubes.

im also generating a list of things i need to buy, main thing is an oil filter relocation kit since it hits the steering down link bar, but i was expecting that so its not a big surprise also need a new propshaft making and will need to get some tube to make a new manifold, i am considering doing this one in mild steel the having it coated rather than stainless but we will have to see

CTWV50 PM sent

cheers tilly

[les g]

i,m stil waiting for my 10 points
chee les g

[SeriesLandy]

I'm still waiting for my 10 points
cheers les g

Thats because TT got the answer in first not you les.:p

[Tilly819]

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[Tilly819]

Oh and i almost forgot 10 points for TT and Les

tilly

[Tilly819]

Ordered a new prop shaft today, might even be done tomorrow, hopefully wont be too long before its back on the road

tilly

[AshG]

once all the manifolds are back on i would try very hard to get that diagonal brace back in or at least some reinforcements as that is the weakest part of the chassis and you just made it weaker by chopping the diagonal out. managed to keep mine in with the Saab engine.

did you ever get round to playing with your suspension?

[Tilly819]

i wondered how long it would take for someone to comment on that, it is indeed my plan to replace the diagonal brace and also incorporate a second on the other side though they will not be exactly the same as they were due to the amount of space available, as for the suspension i did have a little play with it but not a lot, all theory at the moment but it certainly is possible to improve but like you said about the engine bay, the suspension can only be as good as the chassis and if the chassis flexes "which it does" then the suspension does not do what is it supposed to.

tilly

[AshG]

true but unless its a full out race car a little bit of compliance in the chassis can be helpful on poor surfaces.

[Tilly819]

true but unless its a full out race car a little bit of compliance in the chassis can be helpful on poor surfaces.


Very ture, however a flexable chassis can lead to premature component failure of parts fixed to the chassis since as the chassis flexes they are exposed to stresses that they were not designed for. as you very corectly said on a race car were every gram counts and parts are shaved to a minimum then this can by crytical however on our cars this is very unlightly to be a problem due to the material thinkness and size of components spec'd in the design. it is possibe to build a far lighter stiffer chassis however i would not fancy using it on the road.

[les g]

Hi Tilly
me and tj know a bloke who is puttin an s2000 in a robin hood
have not spoke to him for ages it might be done now...
but i have his contact details if you wanted to speak with him
shoot the breeze/or sort any snags
let me know
cheers les g

[MarkB]

Why would anyone waste an engine like that in a Robin Hood.......:eek:

[les g]

Why would anyone waste an engine like that in a Robin Hood.......:eek:

i dont care what it went in mate
he put in the engine/box and diff complete running gear
i only met him coz he sold me the diff /beam axle thing/driveshafts/uprights/drums/new brakes/new spring kits/new wheel bearings and wheel cylinders for £45 :D
you gotta be in it to win it ;)
cheers les g

[wylliezx9r]

Why would anyone waste an engine like that in a Robin Hood.......:eek:

I second that one it amazes me how people like to waste their money and time. A neighbor used to have a robin hood with a high power turbo cosworth in, I thought the same about that.

[monsterob]

is it not each to their own

and why not try to make a car better ?

[alga]

Well, technically, S2000 is the car, and this engine is F20C. Happy for you, Tilly, I think this is the awesomest engine for a Seven.

[MarkB]

is it not each to their own

and why not try to make a car better ?

Yes it is each to their own and yes it is good to make a car better BUT putting a mad engine in something that doesn't handle and is worth less than 10p is a waste of time and effort.:)

[Tilly819]

Alga .... a man after my own heart you are indeed corect it is the F20C and im so glad someone is as podantic as myself with technicalitys... lol

as for this debate on fitting a S2000 lump into a robbin hood at inital thought it does seem abit of a waste, BUT and it is a big BUT...
If it makes the owner happy and puts a smile on there face then it is worrth every penny, every drop of sweat, tears and blood that it takes to fulfill there desire on the flip side if they find that they dont like it at the end of the day then yes is has indeed been a waste of time but that judgment can only be made by the person who drives the car, people may think its pointless but if it makes the driver smile then its worth it.

tilly

[CTWV50]

A Robin Hood looks very similar to a Haynes Roadster, or am I missing something?:confused:

[Tilly819]

the old robbin hood are very differant, the new GBS (formaly robin hood) Zero is similar

tilly

[CTWV50]

Ahh I see!

[Tilly819]

quick update

couple of engine mounts welded in, still some bracing tubes to be added to the bay area and also look what the post man gave me today.... :)

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tilly

[Tilly819]

bit of extra chassis
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this will be crossed when done rather than just being a single
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tilly

[HandyAndy]

Nice work Tilly :cool:

That Roadster is gonna be "something else" with that engine :eek: :cool: ( & I thought it was quick when you took me for spin at stoneleigh )

Enjoying watching your progress .

cheers
andy

[Tilly819]

a few pics of last night and today's progress got the front cross finished, mod'd the pedal box to fit the smaller hole and fitted the s2000 clutch master, shortened and re clipped the rear break pipe, made a new pedal box side cover, painted the bits were i have had to grind and weld etc etc

front cross
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pedal box, tunnel etc
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3" prop shaft
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tilly

[Tilly819]

Hi all got the engine in properly tonight, very pleased.
couple of pictures with descriptions underneath

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just a basic overview of the install

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Oil filter relocation plate, i had to modify this slightly sine it was designed to retain the OEM cooler so i had to shorten the stud that filter would originally have screwed onto, it was quite involved since the treads did not run all the way down so to shorten it i had to basically remove a section from the middle of the stud and re weld it together, did it all in the lathe with the TIG the result was very pleasing.

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Clutch slave cylinder with a little banjo fitting that i made an adapter for to go onto a standard M10x1 pipe fitting

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Propshaft installed in the tunnel, i must remember to torque the bolts before the test drive they are only finger tight at the moment.

[Tilly819]

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Hot side of the engine. The manifold will run very close to the chassis rail, it will come out of the port and have to kick up slightly to clear the chassis rail, not a big deal really but it will require some heat management in the surrounding area

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New radiator, alloy race rad from a honda civic del sol, fits perfectly in the space and even has the same size hose's, i also have a new slim fan (not shown)

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And finally my attempt at an artistic photo, doesn't show much but i think it looks cool.

Edit: tell a lie it shoes ground clearance quite well

tilly

[Bonzo]

You are certainly cracking on with that job Tilly :)

Very much looking forward to seeing the completed job & the report of your first test drive with the new engine fitted :) :cool:

One thing for sure, going to be a whole bundle of full on mayhem :D

[JakeH]

very nice, going to have a bit of a kick that one! wipe clean seats anyone?

JakeH

[Tilly819]

hi all
quick update, quite an exciting one really since i fired up the engine for the first time tonight, it went second attempt, would have gone first attempt if only i had turned on the battery isolation switch first
anyways here are a couple of pictures
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still got some wiring to do as you can see, also need to connect a throtle cable, make a new exhaust, bonnet, dash, tunnel cover etc
might get a new battery too since the one i have is a little large

[Tilly819]

update:

been making the exhaust this weekend, been lucky in that i had got a bit of extra tube and a couple of bends left over from the last one and have been able to use some bits from the old manifold. unfortunatly ran out of gas so i will have to get a new bottle this week.

will try and get a photo up later

tilly

[Bonzo]

Great stuff Tilley :) :cool:

I guess it will not be too much longer before the Roadster is back on the road :)

[monsterob]

that seems to have just fallen into the hole left by the previous engine !
look foward to seeing some more progress

i am very jelous !

[Tilly819]

thanks it is a bit of a squease in a couple of places but all in all fits very well and should give good weight distribution.

tilly

[Tilly819]

Warning what you are about to see may be considered by some to be an explicit image.










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[HandyAndy]

:eek: :D automotive porn indeed :cool: :cool:

Stunning work Tilly, can,t wait to see the start up video .

cheers
andy

[Tilly819]

thanks andy, it has been running a couple of times very briefly already, i will try and get a video of it when the exhaust is on and i drive it out of the garage or something.

tilly

[wylliezx9r]

WOW, nice work. Do you make manifolds for a living? The reason i ask is that I'll be wanting a new one pretty soon.

[Tilly819]

no i dont make them professionally, i would make one for someone else but it would be very expensive and i would need the car to be at my workshop since it would be a one off made to fit manifold.

thanks for the complements :D

tilly

[Andy_B]

no i dont make them professionally, i would make one for someone else but it would be very expensive and i would need the car to be at my workshop since it would be a one off made to fit manifold.

thanks for the complements :D

tilly

Thats a work of art ..do you buy the prefab bends or do you have a bending machine ? where did you get the 4 -1 collector from ?

[Tilly819]

thanks, i do use pre made bends then cut them to what angle i require. wish i did have a bender, i might make one some day as i really fancy one. the collector is actualy a 4-2-1 made from 3 pre made 2 into 1 reducers, i think i got them from a company called jetex, they are ok but are mig welded so dont look quite as nice but they are quite a good price
the manifold consists of 1&3/4" primary's, 2" seconds and a 2&1/2 tail

tilly

[rdodger]

http://www.clockwisemotion.co.uk/index/cars.html

Some interesting reading on here re exhaust manifolds for the Honda in a Caterham.

Lots of lovely tuning goodies too.

[Tilly819]

thanks for that, it is very interesting indeed, shame most of there parts are for the K20 engine

tilly

[spud69]

Do you fancy putting together the exhaust for the Single Seater Tilly? It's going to be very tight going round each side of the engine into twin pipes leading out the rear of the car......;) Worth a try

Looking really good though.....AndyH

[twinturbo]

Sweeeeeet.... Be ready in time for the snow :)

TT

[vmax1974]

Do you fancy putting together the exhaust for the Single Seater Tilly? It's going to be very tight going round each side of the engine into twin pipes leading out the rear of the car......;) Worth a try

Looking really good though.....AndyH

Thats it I gotta come see the single seater hope you there in the next 2 hours

[Tilly819]

Sweeeeeet.... Be ready in time for the snow :)

TT

iy, you might be right lol, made a list of jobs to do tonight now am feeling very unmotivated

[AshG]

still plenty of driving days left matie. yesterday was gorgeous weather down my way

[rob2.2]

hi

very nice install, im looking at fitting a S2000 engine into a kit car as i have a s2000 i am breaking and seems a shame to let the engine and running gear go,

Im mainly interested in your wiring as i was told you would not be able to use a stock ecu and you have done so,

have you just used the stock engine wiring loom and ecu? have you had to by pass any wires/sensors?

thanks rob

[Tilly819]

I got told the same thing, " oh you wont be able to do that" "thats not possible" etc etc

just got the engine loom, under dash loom ecu, ign barrel and key. chopped out all the redundant wiring (about 90% of it) put in some new fuses and relays for lights, fuel pump etc turned the key, touched the wires together and away she went.

you NEED a copy of the WORKSHOP MANUAL, it has all the wiring diagrams in it, available from the bay for about £4

oh and fit a sump guard, dont ask how i now, it was an expensive and stupid mistake *doh*

dead easy really
any questions just ask

tilly

[Tilly819]

Well after my expencive mistake ^^^^ lack of sumpo guard ^^^ and a heavy passenger

iv finished rebuilding the S2K engine

Started up second try (battery was a bit flat first time)

Touch wood its ok, only had it running at idle.

still got TONNES of work to do before the shows start
New bonnet, new dash, full cage *maybe* , sump guard, yes definetly a sump guard, blank of the old exhaust outlet, repair a few scratches and dents, and give it a dam good wash and wax

tilly

[CTWV50]

What happened to the engine?:eek:

[Tilly819]

I took a rarther hefty friend out and put a hole in the sump starved the cam shafts of oil, so the exhaust cam picked up on 3 of its carriers, the timming pullt seized onto the bush it runs on and snapped the supporting bolt (very lucky it dont come out or it would have been a right off.

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tilly

[Tilly819]

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[CTWV50]

Oh my word! Nasty. I guess the oil light hadn't been hooked up for the test drive. How does it drive with the new engine?:)

[Tilly819]

it was wired but i think what happened was it came on we didnt see it, then it picked up oil again then we saw it when it came on the second time.

just been out for a test drive now and it all seems to be ok, still have so much to do before stonliegh, might look at making a new bonnet this afternoon if i can motivate myself.

tilly