Are the antics of some traders ruining this forum ?

[Bonzo]

Are some of the traders spoiling your enjoyment of this forum ? :(

High time that all involved simply let their products do the talking :rolleyes:

I would like to think that the general forum membership will take the chance to take part in this anonymous poll.

Perhaps it will send a strong message to all involved so as this forum can at least have some chance of returning to normal.

EDIT

After receiving personal threats, much of the content of this post have been removed for my own personal safety :eek:

[flyerncle]

Well chosen words Ronnie.

Back to reality please people.

[wylliezx9r]

Well chosen words Ronnie.


Back to reality please people.

+1 :) let's use this forum for what it was intended

[robo]

Well Ronnie aside from the rant I find that very informative, as a newish member I have always wondered who was who and who was responsible for what. You have cracked haynesvinci code for me.

bob:)

[tkpm]

I haver to ask the question if this will help the situation in any way or if it will hinder.

In the past I have used the services of Triton as under Mark for bodywork parts, 3GE for chassis plates and wishbones sets. Andy at Saturn for body parts, and lastly Phil at Talon for a complete chassis and wishbone set.

I really do not care who supplies what, as I feel that as a customer I will go off what services I can get in what time, for what price. If I find anyone lets me down, to this point they have not then I will make up my own mind and vote with my wallet in another direction.

Phil took a lot of stick when he first came on board, as I believe so did Andy when people thought he was encroaching on John at 3GE. Mr Henderson gave up and left the forum and there was others trying to offer services that gave up.

As a potential customer I do find all this bickering tiresome and wish it would go away, so from my view get along with each other, post no more digs and forget the pole

There are other builders or suppliers out there for the 'Haynes Roadster look' that are getting on with things and advertising elsewhere. There is a potential market for all, do not make them go to other makes of car because if they come on here there is a chance they will.

Adrian.

Sometimes wishing there was a delete all posts, and all information so I could disassociate myself with the lot.

+1 with AdrianH on this

Terry

[vmax1974]

You have cracked haynesvinci code for me.

bob:)

I may just be tired and excuse me but I just fell about laughing at that lol lol lol

[les g]

Hi Ronnie.
Sort of understand your beef but....
as you also supply parts to forum members.!!!!
are you not not just causing trouble...
perhaps people are smart enough to work things out for themselves.
cheers les g

[trick-kit]

could it be said that they are cold, calculating chancers doing nothing more than trying to discredit a reputable rival company now they are both involved in a new joint venture.



Hi Ronnie,

I've never really been one to get involved with forum politics but this time I feel I need to have my say, I've had a good look back though all my posts and as far as I can see the only thing I've said that is even remotetly negative is that I posted that the geometry isn't ideal and there is room to make improvements.

On the whole I like to keep my replies to the helpful type, like suppling people with the information (or drawings) they require, or sometimes a bit of a joke.

For those of you who want to check, you can read them all here

http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/search.php?searchid=113630

The above quote, which i read as a distinct poke at me personnally, is completely unfounded. Yes, I am heavily involved with Vodou, and yes I am developing new products, however somethings, as you must appreciate, take time to test thoroughly, only when I'm happy do I release them. I have a reputation for being fussy and work on the "would I be happy fitting them to my car?" school of thought. I just don't do "that'll do!" Sorry if that delays products coming to market or doesn't fit in with your "I want to see it now!" wishes, but that's just the way I am.

I still whole heartedly support the Haynes Roadster (and have done since it started), if I didn't, do you think I would have spent the last 6 months working on new products to make the build process easier or improve the function of certain aspects of the car? :rolleyes: Time is the most precious thing in life and I don't waste it on things that I don't believe in!

And despite the opening line "It is not my intention to slight any particular trader on this forum" It certainly reads like you have only one company in mind when you typed this.

Kindest Regards

John aka TK

[voodoo]

There is a very good reason that I don't give sneak previews of my work anymore; those of you interested might like to check out the development work I originally put into the MX5 conversion here:

http://www.mx5-locost.co.uk

I wonder if you might recognise that design, oh and please note the dates.

[robo]

According to the how many being built poll there are over 200 cars on the go or very soon to be started. Thats the poll only without those that dont bother with the forum .That is a shed load of customers for the suppliers and a fair bite of the apple for those that can get their act together. Even a lean build at 2k to 3 k puts this industry at 600k over a couple of years without whats going on in the locost world. Pull together chaps.

Bob

[K4KEV]

Here we effin go again I’ve not been around long enough to know what any issues are on this particular forum , but I have been involved in differing forums for the last 20yrs and one thing I have learned…..this kind of tit for tat banter is actually beneficial for the survival of clubs/associations/support groups…..etc….peeps will, be more interested in bad shit than good shit.
I came and joined this forum for one thing only and that was to gleen as much knowledge and info as possible to help me progress in the task of building a CHEAP sports car for on the road and to this ends the forum is very good at supplying the aforementioned
As for silly peeps who seem to take pleasure from upsetting peeps,I do not have time nor will I ever entertain them…….. to stand back and laugh at their antics and stumblings does increase the entertainment value, but you are truly sad if you actually gain any kind of pleasure from trying to push any kind of critisism of products or services.
mistakes and incorrect procedures are already picked up and to that end it is called constructive critisism.....EEERRRRR HELLO....I WOULD LIKE TO BUILD A SPORTS CAR THANK YOU, CAN YOU PLEASE LET ME GET ON WITH IT:mad: :mad:

[voodoo]

You know what the ironic thing is? I don't want all this cr4p either.

Like John, if you check back through my posts I haven't so much as suggested anything negative about ANYBODY, no matter how strongly I feel. Funnily enough if you also search the instigator of this thread you will notice a common theme bad mouthing myself and my collegues.

Mark has been a tit at times, I am sure he would agree - that is his way. BUT we have discussed this and he has stopped being destructive. HOWEVER he, John and myself are allowed an opinion and as this is a public forum we are entitled to express that opinion otherwise what is the point? If you don't want critisism then crawl back under your rock; personally I'd rather ten of you said to me "Honestly, that design is rubbish, leave it to the experts" than sitting bitching behind my back - critisism is how I better myself.

I recently released my plans, I have recieved many emails of thanks and praise for doing that but not a word on here, why do you think that might be? Perhaps the bully-boy tactics of certain 'cronies' on here have people too scared to speak their minds? A sad day indeed.

Finally, Ronnie. If you spent half as long actually working on your car as you do bitching about members of my team you'd have finished it months ago and would be driving around with a grin from cheek to cheek.

[MarkB]

Public debate is a good thing but public slanging match just makes folk look retarded. I only pointed out why we stopped our single seater as we saw it as a track car not a road car. If folk want to make them for the road then fine go for it BUT be prepared for folk with an opinion like those on LCB.

[vmax1974]

my appologies for any offence caused in my shouting down of markB's opinions on the single seater i could have worded it more politely i was trying to say that when i asked my contacts they did say that if the single seater was taxed and tested and road legal and meets noise regulations then in there opinion it would be fine on a track day

[MarkB]

Apology not needed and no offence taken, we are all entitled to our own opinion. Yes mine can be a bit "forward" at times but at 46yrs old I am not changing for anyone:D

[jasongray5]

I havent been around much recently due to being based 9000 Miles from home, so have missed most of this debate i think?
But why cant we all be grown ups and play nicely?:D

[MarkB]

I havent been around much recently due to being based 9000 Miles from home, so have missed most of this debate i think?
But why cant we all be grown ups and play nicely?:D

I do play nice but seems some folk like to play with all the bricks and not share them:rolleyes:

[voodoo]

Can't be bothered.

[Bonzo]

Can't be bothered.

After reading the comments that you have just removed Matt

Have a good read of this thread ;)

http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=6221&highlight=reality+check

Might go some way to explaining why I am not able to be working on my build at the moment !!

Quite easy to kick a man when he is down, isn't it ??

Swap your life for mine any day of the week ( Wouldn't wish that on anyone )

I will now go back & crawl under my rock :rolleyes:

[Balidey]

Are the antics of some traders ruining this forum?
In my experience... no.

Honestly, have you ever seen a forum that has never had a public slanging match, handbags at dawn, people banned and then a break away forum?

None of it is a surprise. It happens on every forum. There are always people who get the hump and delete their old posts and go out with a harrumph and others who hang around and slag off those that have gone.

Thats just forum life. Take a deep breath and either read or ignore the posts and get over it.

Remember the huge arguments on the needle point forum where Gladys said that Joan had been using the wrong needle size on her crochet pattern for the vicars wife? Well thats what started the new forum called 'recreational-stitching-UK' and then that split off when one of the suppliers of the needles realised it was for crochet and not darning. And well, you remember how it all kicked off again and then the 'needlecrafting' website was created.....

[Jimmyd]

Are the antics of some traders ruining this forum?
In my experience... no.

Honestly, have you ever seen a forum that has never had a public slanging match, handbags at dawn, people banned and then a break away forum?

None of it is a surprise. It happens on every forum. There are always people who get the hump and delete their old posts and go out with a harrumph and others who hang around and slag off those that have gone.

Thats just forum life. Take a deep breath and either read or ignore the posts and get over it.

Remember the huge arguments on the needle point forum where Gladys said that Joan had been using the wrong needle size on her crochet pattern for the vicars wife? Well thats what started the new forum called 'recreational-stitching-UK' and then that split off when one of the suppliers of the needles realised it was for crochet and not darning. And well, you remember how it all kicked off again and then the 'needlecrafting' website was created.....


I must of missed something in the last day or two but I couldn't have said it any better!!

[AshG]

I have sat back and let this go for a couple of days to see where it goes. Now its time to chip in. there are two approaches that i can take as a moderator.

1. the nicely nicely way. i will leave everything alone warn you all to play nice here and now and let that be the end of it.

2. if you cant all play nice then i can get mega heavy handed delete hundreds of posts from all the known traders, trouble makers and ban loads of people.

now quite frankly i have got lots going on at the min and would be really hacked off if we have to go down road number two as it will take me a whole afternoon that i dont really have.

so i dont care who doesn't like who. or who said what about about what. man up get over it and move on.................... or quite simply ship out.

Over to you guys.....................



BTW this is the last attempt at the softly softly approach

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