Megajolt Tuning

[brainbug007]

I've finally got my megajolt all connected up and running with the basic map that came pre-loaded from trigger wheels. Not really understanding the principles used very well I'm after a guide of sorts to start learning how it works so I can make tweaks to it without breaking it or my engine. For example I'd like to know how to compare two different maps and understand them well enough to decide which is better for my setup if that makes sense? At the very least I need to know how to tweak it at IVA incase I'm over on my emmisions.

From what I understand so far you "retard" the ignition so it sparks after tdc making it more inefficent which brings down your emmissions? And to do this you increase the advance value in the given cell?

Also it's bad to have it sparking before tdc as messes up the pistons by forcing them down when they should still be traveling up the cylinder?

To bring the spark closer to tdc and increase the power, do you increase or decrease the advace?

How do you work out the advace value of tdc that you should not go above/below (see point above) which would cause it sparking btdc?

In reverse, how do you work out the maximum value you shouldn't go beyond for atdc?

Also the advance value seems to change depending on rpm/throttle, why is this?

Sorry for all the newbie questions but any help would be greatly appreciated!

[davedew]

Brian,

This is quite a complicated subject to explain, so have a look at the below link.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignition_timing

HTH

[brainbug007]

Thanks dave, that gives me a rough idea how it works. Actually sounds like you want it to spark before tdc due to the time it takes for the mix to ignite and the gases to start pushing down on the piston. Really for startes I'd just like to get to a point where I know how to adjust it incase I need to at IVA for emmisions.

[Talonmotorsport]

Just a thought but it might be worth having a word with a few very local MOT places and asking them to ignore the whole test and just do the emissions part for 30-45mins. Besides if your car is booked in for an MOT you can drive it there, ahem. Paying for an MOT at £45 a shot is going to be a lot less hassle than an IVA retest.

[brainbug007]

Ya I was plannin on takin the car to my local garage for a pretend mot before iva to check it over.

Is there such a thing as a formula to work out roughly what the "best" advance would be for a given rpm based on things like piston travel?

[baz-r]

haynes do quiet a good book on engine manigment writen by dave walker of emreld ecu's and ppc mag fame covers efi and ign setup.

no idea about megajolt but megasquirt and meny other aftermarket have a thing called a spark table or ve table
basicly its a graph or ref table with load and rpm on the sides and timing value in the intersection of the two values.
we ignite the mixture befoe tdc (+tdc) and ajust the amount of advance with load and rpm
the amout we want/need verys on temp air and engine,compression ratio, boost,fuel octane rating and the list go's on so two engine maps may not match unless you have exactly the same engine

no damage is done by over retarded ign but is if over advanced (adv) so we start by increasing adv to a sweet spot (best power and cleaner burn) if we advance beyond this point pinking or knock stars and if we advance some more detionation (clap of two pressure waves in cyl) this is where a hot spot melts holes in engine bits :(
you have possible herd pinking before when you load your car engine pulling out of a juntion with the revs to low and to little clutch or put some 2star in your tank when your car likes 4star (yester year) it sounds a little diesely or like a load of little hammers in your engine
detenition it simmular but louder and naster
so start low and advance until you get pinking then retard it a bit for each load/rpm site basicly

[davedew]

or pm me your email address and I'll send the map files I got off of DaddyA, and you might not need to worry as the values will be near enough spot on for what you want.

[brainbug007]

Nice one thanks for the info guys. It at least gives me a starting point to work from. The megajolt sounds very similar to megasquirt in that you have a "3d" map table of rpm, load, & tps position and you then set the advance for those 3 points intersecting. If you could send me your maps dave that would be great! It'll be interesting to compare them against what came loaded as default from trigger wheels based on the info I gave them. Although isn't your engine a 1.6 vs my 1.8 and such I would have longer con rods so I'd need to tweak the values slightly? Pm sent though with my email & I guess the file is too big to upload as an attachment here?

[flyerncle]

Retarded ignition may have the manifold glowing red hot due to unburnt fuel and there is a possibility of detonation and other nasty's.

When we used to dyno race engines with a real distributor with condensor and points fitted it was usual to run it in and then increase the revs steadily over a few hours and then flat out and twiddle the dizzy for max power.

[mark]

or pm me your email address and I'll send the map files I got off of DaddyA, and you might not need to worry as the values will be near enough spot on for what you want.

Use this map as its the map from when i had a 1.8cvh on ZX6r carbs exactly as you have Brian, it was created on a rolling road to produce optimum power and it passed emmisions tests with flying colours

[flyerncle]

Dont book and mot your car,there is no need for three years as it is a new build and they will want you to test it very year if you do.

[brainbug007]

I wasn't planning on having a proper mot, just a pretend one to have them check it over for anything obvious that would cause an iva failure.

[MikeB]

Any chance of getting the map for the zx6r carbs on a 1.8 cvh?
Megajolt is my next step.

Mines running with just edis and a coil pack. Coudl that be the reason the manifold was getting very hot just ticking over for a minute?

What mods did you make to the carb jets?

[brainbug007]

sure I'll try and post it or email it on to you when I get home.

Not sure about your manifold getting hot, never really checked mine as I didn't let it run for very long like that or put my hand near it..

I was advised to leave the jets as is until post iva to help get through the emmissions & just not rev it too hard as it'll be running lean. I'm planning on trying some 175 & 185 jets after iva though :)

[brainbug007]

Here's what Dave sent. He said he got them from DaddyA and he was using mymap_3_after_v3.2.1_upgrade. The other map mymap_4_11_July less top-end bins he thought the rev bin range was all wrong as if you are idling at 850 to 900 rpm any bins below that will never be used. It won't let me upload the files directly here but they're basically just text files so copy paste into notepad and save as the filename (the .mjlj at the end is the important bit for the MJ software to recognise it)

mymap_3_after V3.2.1 upgrade.mjlj (don't copy/paste the ======)
===========================
cylinders=4
mapBins=0,10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90
rpmBins=10,16,22,28,34,40,47,53,59,65
advance0=12,24,29,32,34,35,35,35,35,35
advance1=12,23,29,31,34,34,35,35,35,35
advance2=12,23,29,31,34,34,34,35,35,35
advance3=12,22,28,30,33,33,34,34,34,34
advance4=11,22,27,29,32,33,33,34,34,34
advance5=11,19,27,29,30,31,32,33,33,33
advance6=11,19,25,28,29,29,31,31,31,31
advance7=10,17,22,26,27,27,29,29,29,29
advance8=10,17,20,24,25,25,27,27,27,27
advance9=10,16,19,21,23,24,25,25,26,26
userOutType0=1
userOutMode0=0
userOutValue0=48
userOutType1=1
userOutMode1=0
userOutValue1=54
userOutType2=1
userOutMode2=0
userOutValue2=56
userOutType3=1
userOutMode3=0
userOutValue3=77
shiftLight=65
revLimit=70

mymap_4_11_July less top-end bins.mjlj
==============================
cylinders=4
mapBins=0,10,20,30,40,50,60,70,80,90
rpmBins=5,6,9,12,16,22,28,34,40,47
advance0=5,20,14,14,24,29,35,39,41,42
advance1=14,14,14,14,23,29,34,39,40,42
advance2=14,14,14,14,23,29,34,39,40,41
advance3=14,14,14,14,22,28,33,38,39,41
advance4=13,13,13,13,22,27,32,37,39,40
advance5=13,13,13,13,20,27,32,35,37,39
advance6=13,13,13,13,19,25,31,34,35,38
advance7=12,12,12,12,17,23,28,32,33,36
advance8=12,12,12,12,17,21,26,29,31,34
advance9=12,12,12,12,16,20,24,28,30,32
userOutType0=1
userOutMode0=0
userOutValue0=48
userOutType1=1
userOutMode1=0
userOutValue1=54
userOutType2=1
userOutMode2=0
userOutValue2=56
userOutType3=1
userOutMode3=0
userOutValue3=77
shiftLight=65
revLimit=70

any problems let me know and I can email the files on if needs be.

[MikeB]

cheers I haven't got my megajolt yet but it won't be far off.