Need a couple of chassis dimensions pls

[The V8 Files]

If anyone is around a completed chassis would you be kind enough to take a couple of approximate measurements please, measuring along TR1 the distance between U3 and U1 and also the distance between U1 and FF4.

Many thanks.

[robo]

from your mule its 690mm and the other is 255 at the bottom of the chassis and 175mm at the top cos it leans back for the rad.

Bob

[The V8 Files]

from your mule its 690mm and the other is 255 at the bottom of the chassis and 175mm at the top cos it leans back for the rad.

Bob

Thanks Bob, I had some 25mm x 38mm batten so I ripped it down to 25mm x 25mm and made a rough mock up of the bay, I'l rest the lump in there tomorrow and start to get an idea of how its going to fit in a standard chassis

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18125.jpg

[The V8 Files]

Right, a little demoralised, I new this was going to be a tight fit but its worse that I thought:

Front Right Sump and Alt pulley fouling.
http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18130.jpg

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18129.jpg

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18128.jpg

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18127.jpg

Not sure about total height and width, I remember seeing somewhere recently a drawing showing bodywork clearances so will have to do some searching and research and then consider all my options.

Just found the diagram:

http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=687&d=1265401544

I'm off to do some measuring up.

[K4KEV]

boy is that gonna make for some severe head scratching and gallons of tea/coffee/beer......and I mean all 3:eek: :eek:

[The V8 Files]

Whey aye Kev, Give ower y'a kiddin, Champion fit that :) head scratching? Tea? Coffee? Nah just give me the beer any day

Seriously, yeah I had my first proper wobble today when I thought what the F*** are you doing dude, your p*****g in the wind, living in cloud cuckoo etc.

Then I found the diagram I was was looking for with the scuttle clearances and alos looked back at Aerosams build pics, I spent about an hour with the tape measure and looking at things and possibly figured some ways forward.

With regards to the Alternator, its not easy to see from the pictures but its current mountings form part of the timing case so modifying that seems a bit extreme, however, on the offside of the engine the mount bracket also acted as a mounting for the AC compressor, this seems to be a little higher and also uses the 5 Rib 'rear' section' of the main pulley so if I can modify/fabricate a mounting and tensioner based in this area then hopefully I can gain some height and backwards location of the alternator.

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18131.jpg

With regards to the sump, it really is an odd shape and size and there are some gubbins inside which I really need to fully understand before going too much further, that said the good points are that there is plenty of space towards the rear of the sump to look at fabricating a different shape and being typically BMW and over engineered, the mounting bolts are centred at just 48mm apart, so if I can figure this out then there is a good chance of finding a solution.

There's a complete sump on the bay for £30 delivered, I'l get that and investigate with it first, I want to keep the engine complete so just in case I decide its a 'no go' then have have the M60 complete and untouched to sell.

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18132.jpg
http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18133.jpg

Apart from that I gave it a pressure wash and mounted on the the engine stand and squeezed it into the man room, which despite the stand being rated at 350Kg seemed totally inadequate, I was particularly concerned with stressing the top rear casing mountings, so for tonight its propped up with a piece of wood and the trolley jack and tomorrow I'l get the crane in there, take the load off and fabricate some supports.

[robo]

I reckon most of the work is in the sump Bruce. That engine has a very deep skirt on the engine block so you could build a shallow sump full length and still have plenty of capacity. That would drop the thing right down and then you can have 25mm of engine under the car, despite how it looks now with all the clutter removed it will still probably fit within the standard bodywork. Beast:eek: Me likes but then I am sick anyway:)

Bob

[The V8 Files]

Looking at it the sump mod may not be too bad, the depth will be dictated by the oil pump/integrated pickup, there is an oil level sender in there and although its a 'nice to keep' it probably isn't essential, the only other bit to work around is the dip stick at the front but that should not be ok, the block face is wide and flat with regular fixings so should lend itself nicely to a modded sump, I'm looking forward to doing that at some point.

Note to self, keep all the ally parts from the donor to practice tigging with.

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/m60pump.jpg
http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/m60sumpdiagram.png

Apart from that I just spent a while sorting out the engine on the stand, I really wasn't happy with it so eventually took it off completely and reorganised all the rear brackets and added a couple of supports.

Its a little crude but functional, and also allows me to drop the sump off when I'm ready.

http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18134.jpg
http://i1157.photobucket.com/albums/p598/barlidge/Tig%20progress/SDC18135.jpg

[robo]

I think the worst case scenario with that will be to junk the pump and go dry sump.You would grab at least 4" with one of those systems. loads of second hand dry sump stuff on the bay of thieves http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dry-sump-oil-pump-3-stage-new-including-pulley-race-and-rally-/170936913813?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27cca24f95 just thoughts.

Bob

[The V8 Files]

I think the worst case scenario with that will be to junk the pump and go dry sump.You would grab at least 4" with one of those systems. loads of second hand dry sump stuff on the bay of thieves http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Dry-sump-oil-pump-3-stage-new-including-pulley-race-and-rally-/170936913813?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item27cca24f95 just thoughts.

Bob

I fear you may be spot on Bob, I've been a little side tracked from it today as the chuffin boiler has packed up.

I think I'l remove the sump and alternator and then have another go in the wooden frame, its not perfectly accurate but should hopefully give an idea.

Bruce

[robo]

Bruce I had a measure up of the getrag 265 and a t5 manual 5 speed box and input shaft centerline to the lowest part of the box is around 5" - 61/2". V8 yank flywheels are about 13" to 14" in diameter, bmw is probably somewhere near the same so you dont want the sump to be much lower than around 6" below the crank centerline. It all needs to go as low as poss without tearing lumps out of it over speed humps so reckon on an inch of sump under the car as a max and that will put the lowest part of the box under the car the same as the engine.

bob

[robo]

http://www.daileyengineering.com/20-02-0620%20WITH%20PUMP.jpg :cool:

http://www.daileyengineering.com/dry_sump_oil_pans.htm

Bob

[The V8 Files]

Hi Bob, sorry I've not got round to replying yet, I've been a little sidetracked trying to get the plasma cutter running with the new torch. It was a doddle to fit but it still doesn't work, I cant get the HF pilot to fire and as I need to get the shell cut up and weighed in to recover some cash for the mig I've had to resort to the angry grinders :(

I've not taken a measurement of the auto box from centre flywheel to bottom of bell housing yet but you were spot on with the flywheel which is 13 1/8". Also from centre flywheel to bottom of oil pickup is 8":eek: which means prob + 1" ish for sump clearance, might get away with it if I put tractor wheels on! so have resigned myself that a dry sump is the only feasible option.

I wasn't keen at first partly due to cost and partly because although I new what a dry sump system was I wasn't too familiar with them. I feel better about it now as I've managed to find some useful info about them and I don't see any reason that with enough time, more research and practice with the tig I couldn't do my own sump and possibly even the tank, with regards to a pump I think for my needs a 3 stage would be more than enough, 2 scavenge, 1 pressure. The M60 already has an external filter housing so should lend itself quite nicely, although as the feed/exit pass through the current sump I'd have to look at a suitable oil entry.

I've seen that link you put up in my searches, very sweet looking sumps :cool: but no prices!

I found another dedicated kit, in the states again, but at just under $4k for the kit and sump its waaaaaay out my league:

http://store.vacmotorsports.com/vac---s62-dry-sump-kit-p1877.aspx

Its going to have to be research, research, more research, DIY & Fleebay:)

When I get a few spare mins I'l get the crane out again and try the lump in the frame with no sump/alternator and see how it looks, and I'l post the piccies up.

Bruce

[robo]

Best place for a pump is the ebay autos site. loads of bargains on ex nascar stuff. You will get all you need bar the sump for around £300

http://motors.shop.ebay.com/i.html?_trkparms=65%253A12%257C39%253A1%257C72%253 A7044&rt=nc&_nkw=dry+sump+pump&_frs=1&_sticky=1&_trksid=p4506.c0.m245&_sop=3&_sc=1

Bob

[The V8 Files]

For sure, I've already set up my daily search lol :)

I appreciate all your help Bob, I've got to go plat the daughters hair now so she can go to bed and wake up with ringlets :)

[robo]

How did the ringlets turn out bruce.:) Are you still bestest dad:confused:

Bob

[The V8 Files]

How did the ringlets turn out bruce.:) Are you still bestest dad:confused:

Bob

All good Bob :) When she tells me I'm the bestest dad it normally means she wants something :rolleyes:

[robo]

That sump from vac sport looks like something that could be knocked up at home without too much grief.

http://store.vacmotorsports.com/vac---m60--m62--s62-dry-sump-pan-p1087c94.aspx?Thread=True

Bob

[The V8 Files]

I'm hoping so Bob, the base of the block should lend itself nicely, symetrical and OTT on the fixings so I'm looking forward to having a go at that bit.

I'l probably have a trial go first out of steel then post it up here for a general dose of constructive criticism :eek:

Pumps seem to be coming up now and again so hopefully I should be ok if I manage to pick a good one.

A gearbox came up today but I thinks he's a bit optimistic on his price tho

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321027810286?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649

Bruce