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dubzter 19th March 2015 10:22 AM

great write up but puts the fear of death in me. It's going to be quite a while before I have to face the IVA but it's good to hear others experiences.

Ianr 19th March 2015 04:24 PM

Hopefully this time next year Gary the Insp will have moved to my part of the country. A very nerve wracking experience I'm sure. A first time pass justifies all the hard work and effort you have put into the car.
Well done!
Ian

CTWV50 20th March 2015 12:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dubzter (Post 100143)
great write up but puts the fear of death in me. It's going to be quite a while before I have to face the IVA but it's good to hear others experiences.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianr (Post 100147)
Hopefully this time next year Gary the Insp will have moved to my part of the country. A very nerve wracking experience I'm sure. A first time pass justifies all the hard work and effort you have put into the car.
Well done!
Ian

Fore warned is fore armed! I had it on good advise that he was one of the keenest inspectors at Chadderton. So I doubt you will have as tough a time. To fear the test is good it will help you to get through my being more critical of what you build. I was dreading it, mainly because I don't deal with criticism well. :D I blame my father and teachers for that. :rolleyes: The word conscientious was used every year on my school report but attainment scores were always lower than my effort scores. ;)

CTWV50 20th March 2015 12:54 AM

Oh I'm insured now. £145 from Blackford Bloor & Co http://www.kitcar-insurance.co.uk. :)

Numplumb 22nd March 2015 12:15 PM

Well done Chris just read you book :D ,did you have any comments about your side repeaters?
Did you have to show any photo's ?.
What was mentioned about your pedal area, you used the MX5 pedals like I have

Regards Mick.

CTWV50 22nd March 2015 07:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numplumb (Post 100167)
Well done Chris just read you book :D ,did you have any comments about your side repeaters?
Did you have to show any photo's ?.
What was mentioned about your pedal area, you used the MX5 pedals like I have

Regards Mick.

Thanks, nothing was said about the side repeaters, he checked for grommets but I'D USED SILICONE (oops) sealant so it was fine. No pictures were asked for but I did remove the pedal cover, not that I was asked so, but so I could persuade (demonstate to) him on my steering rack angle. Yep nothing was said about the pedals at all they were just concerned with steering angle and that the servo didn't work.

I'll be selling those side repeaters soon with the resistor blocks if your interested.

Ianr 22nd March 2015 10:05 PM

Hi Chris - If Numplumb , Mick, does not want the repeaters can I have 2nd dibs please as they are what I fancy for my car. Sorry to but in.
Ian

Numplumb 22nd March 2015 11:01 PM

Thanks for the offer Chris but I have already done mine Ianr wants them, what do you mean by grommets?
I have built mine into the wing and fibre glassed them in being Led's they are sealed so in theory they last forever:D I didn't like them on the surface so cutting them in from behind allowed me to bring as much as I wanted through and although it was hard cutting the exact size hole in a finished surface they turned out okay.

Regards Mick.

CTWV50 23rd March 2015 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianr (Post 100169)
Hi Chris - If Numplumb , Mick, does not want the repeaters can I have 2nd dibs please as they are what I fancy for my car. Sorry to but in.
Ian

Quote:

Originally Posted by Numplumb (Post 100171)
Thanks for the offer Chris but I have already done mine Ianr wants them, what do you mean by grommets?
I have built mine into the wing and fibre glassed them in being Led's they are sealed so in theory they last forever:D I didn't like them on the surface so cutting them in from behind allowed me to bring as much as I wanted through and although it was hard cutting the exact size hole in a finished surface they turned out okay.

Regards Mick.

OK £10 plus postage ok Ian?

So my application is sent. Thanks stot for your excellent guide. I'll add a few other bits to it when I get chance.

Sent it all first class recorded. Just have to sit and wait, well not sit, but wait. I have a lot to do on the car now, as there are a few more touches to the dash and the appearance I want to make. No pictures now till it's finished. :D

CTWV50 1st April 2015 11:23 AM

I'm still waiting for the DVLA, only been a week but I'm keeping busy with stuff I wanted to do but wasn't a priority. I'm putting together some stuff to make a small boot and rear arch stone guards. Meanwhile I have been installing an early oil sender and gauge from a JDM binnacle, measures in kg/cm2 rather than psi, kg/cm2 coverts nicely to bar.

Later cars come with a dummy gauge hooked up to a switch and no warning!:eek: So I've also added an adjustable pressure switch which lights up a big LED light on the dash and sounds a 90db reversing buzzer. Lol! I've also added an overheating LED which is triggered by the rad fan coming on but no alarm, as if I'm stationary it would be very annoying.

My shift light is in also and sits in the flat of the aero screen so it is easily viewable and I've started installing illuminating dash switches for the horn, indicators, brake test, side, dip, main, etc, which match my hazard and fog switches. Once my dash is finished I'll be getting a weld on QR steering boss.

So I have plenty to be getting on with over the long weekend.

Still enjoying the build! :D

CTWV50 2nd April 2015 09:41 AM

Just Rang the DVLA,
posted on the Mon 23th March 2015
delivered on Tue 24th March 2015 (make sure you send your app recorded!!)
Got to correct department Wed 25th
Thur 26th (day 1)
Fri 27th (day 2)
Mon 30th (day 3)
Tue 31st (day 4)
Wed 1st (day 5)
Thur 2nd (day 6) So today they've had it 6 working days and tomorrow is good Friday:rolleyes: So.....
Tues 7th next week will be the 7th working day

They best have it done by Fri Next week which is the 10th working day!:( 10 days is the maximum time it should take! "Up to 10 days." they keep saying.

edit: just realised it was my building 4th birthday 2 days ago. My first post was 31th March 2011. I thought it took me longer to build it.

Davidbolam 2nd April 2015 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTWV50 (Post 100251)
Just Rang the DVLA,
posted on the Mon 23th March 2015
delivered on Tue 24th March 2015 (make sure you send your app recorded!!)
Got to correct department Wed 25th
Thur 26th (day 1)
Fri 27th (day 2)
Mon 30th (day 3)
Tue 31st (day 4)
Wed 1st (day 5)
Thur 2nd (day 6) So today they've had it 6 working days and tomorrow is good Friday:rolleyes: So.....
Tues 7th next week will be the 7th working day

They best have it done by Fri Next week which is the 10th working day!:( 10 days is the maximum time it should take! "Up to 10 days." they keep saying.

edit: just realised it was my building 4th birthday 2 days ago. My first post was 31th March 2011. I thought it took me longer to build it.

I sent my paperwork special delivery and Royal Mail signed for it in Swansea not the dvla.

It's worth searching for the direct line that was posted on the forum as you get through to the person direct who does the registrations

David

CTWV50 2nd April 2015 04:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davidbolam (Post 100257)
I sent my paperwork special delivery and Royal Mail signed for it in Swansea not the dvla.

It's worth searching for the direct line that was posted on the forum as you get through to the person direct who does the registrations

David

Yeah they have it and I have the direct number but I think I'll ring them Wed. See if I can make sure it gets done within the 10 days so I can get out in it next weekend.

davedew 2nd April 2015 04:25 PM

I chased mine every 2-3 days. Think they were fed up hearing from me :D
Took them 3 weeks from when they received it to me getting the paperwork to get the plates made.

The bank holidays will just slow them up unfortunately.

CTWV50 3rd April 2015 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by davedew (Post 100259)
I chased mine every 2-3 days. Think they were fed up hearing from me :D
Took them 3 weeks from when they received it to me getting the paperwork to get the plates made.

The bank holidays will just slow them up unfortunately.

OK thanks for the info. I'll ring them Tuesday.

CTWV50 4th April 2015 01:10 AM

So I've been wiring again and I have managed to get everything that I needed on the column working on the new dash buttons. Took some doing mind and I popped a fair few fuses in the process.



Here is a video to demonstrate their operation/function.

https://youtu.be/5q4hkk56BGA

I do have an issue with the fog staying on when the side light switch is off as I demonstrate but I just need to introduce a relay. As for all the current operations of the various buttons I haven't used any relays. The apem switch blocks i used are rated for 6 amps at 12v which was more than enough.

I have also made a few other changes too.;)


CTWV50 7th April 2015 09:28 PM

Spoke to Emma in kits and rebuilds today at 4pm, there was a query about the letter regarding the engine manufacture date. I sent it not really thinking as there was no need to prove the engine age to delve only to vosa. Anyway it had confused them and I told the to disregard it which they seemed happy to do. She said to call back tomorrow around the same time and gave me her desk number. Might be getting somewhere here me thinks! :D

Finished my stone guards. They look pretty good but the ABS plastic I used was too thick so I'll have to change them at some point unless the hot summer sun helps them mould better to the arches. But apart from the black nose badge white stripes, decals and a rear vinyl cover it's finished.


CTWV50 7th April 2015 10:13 PM

Amber warning light for overheating.



Drivers side stone guard.


CTWV50 7th April 2015 11:12 PM

Other side.....



:D

Davidbolam 8th April 2015 10:00 AM

That is looking very nice. I'm looking forward to seeing the white stripes on the bonnet.

When you add the stripes to the nose cone you need to make them part slightly at the front as the shape of the nose come makes them look like they are getting closer together

David

CTWV50 8th April 2015 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Davidbolam (Post 100297)
That is looking very nice. I'm looking forward to seeing the white stripes on the bonnet.

When you add the stripes to the nose cone you need to make them part slightly at the front as the shape of the nose come makes them look like they are getting closer together

David

Thanks David, and thanks for the tip, hopefully the stripes will look as good as yours. I've been checking the tax status on the dlva site regularly and it's always reported it as SORN and given me the last MOT date for the car.

https://www.gov.uk/check-vehicle-tax

Just now it returned this......



:D :D :D

Davidbolam 8th April 2015 11:28 PM

Sounds like you will be in the road in next to no time!

Have you done your coolant re route?

What we were talking about before seems to have worked for my car. I had it out twice on Monday for fairly long "progressive" trips.

David

CTWV50 9th April 2015 09:19 AM

ok rant time! WHAT THE **** IS "N.O.V.A"? I HAVE TO CONTACT CUSTOMS AND EXCISE TO GET A LETTER TO SAY I HAVEN'T IMPORTED THE VEHICLE! WTF!! WHY? :mad: :mad: :mad:

FINALLY GOT PAST THE IRRITATING COMPUTERISED VOICE RECOGNITION SYRI TYPE B****H AND AM NOW ON HOLD!!!!!!:mad:

Breath, Chris, BREATH, deep breaths in, out, in, out, in, out!

N.O.V.A Notification Of Vehicle Arrivals

Apparently this is standard procedure, what? I've never heard anyone mention this before. They have the registration numbers and chassis number of both donor vehicles why do I need to do this?

SeriesLandy 9th April 2015 09:22 AM

It looks like that they have got it wrong. I searched locost builders and it seems someone on here had the same problem and I've heard it before.
I never seemed to have a problem, I must of been really lucky.

CTWV50 9th April 2015 09:34 AM

Right spoke to customs, Their words "It's complete madness, we can only send you a form to complete for notification of vehicle arrival which your going to struggle to fill in as the vehicle hasn't."

Kit and rebuilds say "We've been told by our line manager that we 100% have to have proof the vehicle hasn't been imported...... it's a procedure that has always been there but never enforced but now we've been told we have to have this!"

I'm really annoyed, can you tell!

CTWV50 9th April 2015 09:57 AM

First line of the NOVA Form

"Use this form if you are bringing a land vehicle into the UK for permanent use. You will need to do this before you can register and licence your land vehicle with the Driver and Vehicle Licensing Authority (DVLA) or Driver and Vehicle Agency (DVA) in Northern Ireland. "

:confused:

K4KEV 9th April 2015 10:01 AM

I got the same but I spoke to a very nice lady at dvla who "dealt with kit cars" and got it sorted but if they are now following to the letter what do you have to do to prove it is not an import.....surely the vosa iva test does that, what did they say Chris re getting proof?

CTWV50 9th April 2015 10:01 AM

I can't find any info on this using google regarding "kits and rebuilds" and NOVA forms. Why Me! :mad:

I'm off to join my 2 kids for an absolute paddy tantrum and then to sulk and suck my thumb!:(

CTWV50 9th April 2015 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K4KEV (Post 100312)
I got the same but I spoke to a very nice lady at dvla who "dealt with kit cars" and got it sorted but if they are now following to the letter what do you have to do to prove it is not an import.....surely the vosa iva test does that, what did they say Chris re getting proof?

They said I had to have a letter from NOVA stating that they didn't need anything from them regarding the registration of the vehicle! Nonsense!

Customs (NOVA) said we can't provide that we can only send you the form to fill in that is for use when you are importing a vehicle which you will struggle to fill. It's absolutely ridiculous.

Some overpaid selfimportant F***WIT at the DVLA has got it badly wrong as this makes no sense what-so-ever. What percentage of vehicle used on the road are kits and rebuilds. I bet this is down to a new bloody EU regulation!!

Other stupid EU rules

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2011...n_1112685.html

K4KEV 9th April 2015 10:41 AM

here is my thread with the same NOVA issue....the ladys name who need to speak/correspond with is Donna Kennet
http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showthread.php?t=13201

CTWV50 9th April 2015 11:56 AM

"Dear Sir or Madam,

I am making an application to the DVLA regarding the registration of a kit car type vehicle I have built and they have sent me the attached letter asking me to contact your department. I spoke to your advise line and was advised that this had happened before and that it didn’t make much sense as I can only really contact your department by filling in a NOVA application which isn’t applicable to the vehicle I am registering. Even though DVLA Kits and Rebuilds Department agree that this process doesn’t make much sense and it is clear to them that the car hasn’t been imported, they have said that I need to fill in the form as best I can, which is impossible, and have your government department send me a letter in response to this letter and unfilled application stating the vehicle chassis number doesn’t appear on your database (and why would it, they gave me the chassis number and it’s a new one at that) and indeed hasn’t been imported and that filling in the form or making an application for the import of the vehicle is not applicable and unnecessary even though this fact is quite clear to them anyway. Go figure. So could you please place this application form in the bin and be so kind as to send me a letter stating the above so that I can then send it to DVLA Kits and Rebuilds Department and then they can tick a box and we can all move on with our lives.
The chassis no of the vehicle is SABTVR

Sincerely,"

K4KEV 9th April 2015 12:13 PM

Chris ...I would advise against sending a letter with any cynical remarks, it will only put their backs up and possibly scupper your chances of getting sorted out sooner rather than later ....try getting in touch with Donna Kennet as she came across as knowing what the score was, persevere but in a nice manner and let fly on here mate.

K4KEV 9th April 2015 12:15 PM

oops sorry.. bud just seen other post

CTWV50 9th April 2015 12:51 PM

Thanks Kev, Don't worry I'm just letting off steam. I won't be sending the letter in that format. I'll let you know how I get on with this anyway.

Ianr 9th April 2015 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by K4KEV (Post 100318)
Chris ...I would advise against sending a letter with any cynical remarks, it will only put their backs up and possibly scupper your chances of getting sorted out sooner rather than later ....try getting in touch with Donna Kennet as she came across as knowing what the score was, persevere but in a nice manner and let fly on here mate.


I agree with Kev on this one but you have got me worried about my application. I hope it gets resolved quickly for you

CTWV50 9th April 2015 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ianr (Post 100323)
I agree with Kev on this one but you have got me worried about my application. I hope it gets resolved quickly for you

Don't worry hopefully things will be clearer once I've got through this nonsense.

CTWV50 9th April 2015 02:13 PM

They keep saying fill in the form as best you can. Well that's interesting, the NOVA Form Notification Of Vehicle Arrival. Which part do I fill in and sign?

http://www.lambretta.co.uk/downloads/nova-form.pdf

Take a look.....

"Vehicle notification system for vehicles
brought into the UK from abroad
Use this form if you are bringing a land vehicle into the UK
for permanent use. "

"Part 1 Notifier details
Only complete this section if you are notifying on behalf of the purchaser of the vehicle"

"Part 2 Supplier details
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) are making a purchase from within the EU. See Note 4 for a list of
countries that are within the EU."

"Part 3 Vehicle type and specification
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) purchased the vehicle inside or outside of the EU."

"Part 4 Leasing arrangements by VAT registered businesses
Complete this part of the form if the vehicle is leased from an EU supplier by a UK VAT registered business."

"Part 5 Additional vehicle questions for EU purchases
Complete this section if the vehicle was purchased in the EU. If the vehicle was purchased outside the EU go to Part 7.
If you answered ‘No’ to the question in Part 4, you do not need to answer questions 33 to 40."

"Part 6 Specific vehicle questions for VAT registered businesses
Answer both of the following questions if the vehicle was purchased from an EU supplier by a UK VAT registered
business. "

"Part 7 Additional vehicle questions for purchases outside the EU
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) are making a purchase from outside the EU. See Note 11.
To prevent possible delays in dealing with your notification, please check that you have used the correct commodity
code and import entry details for the vehicle."

Discussion here too

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/view...e=1#pid1657345

CTWV50 9th April 2015 02:16 PM

I spoke to one lady to ask which vehicle vin number I was to enquire about the main donor, or the car I had built. She couldn't even answer me clearly on that.... pffft!

K4KEV 9th April 2015 03:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CTWV50 (Post 100326)
They keep saying fill in the form as best you can. Well that's interesting, the NOVA Form Notification Of Vehicle Arrival. Which part do I fill in and sign?

http://www.lambretta.co.uk/downloads/nova-form.pdf

Take a look.....

"Vehicle notification system for vehicles
brought into the UK from abroad
Use this form if you are bringing a land vehicle into the UK
for permanent use. "

"Part 1 Notifier details
Only complete this section if you are notifying on behalf of the purchaser of the vehicle"

"Part 2 Supplier details
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) are making a purchase from within the EU. See Note 4 for a list of
countries that are within the EU."

"Part 3 Vehicle type and specification
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) purchased the vehicle inside or outside of the EU."

"Part 4 Leasing arrangements by VAT registered businesses
Complete this part of the form if the vehicle is leased from an EU supplier by a UK VAT registered business."

"Part 5 Additional vehicle questions for EU purchases
Complete this section if the vehicle was purchased in the EU. If the vehicle was purchased outside the EU go to Part 7.
If you answered ‘No’ to the question in Part 4, you do not need to answer questions 33 to 40."

"Part 6 Specific vehicle questions for VAT registered businesses
Answer both of the following questions if the vehicle was purchased from an EU supplier by a UK VAT registered
business. "

"Part 7 Additional vehicle questions for purchases outside the EU
Complete this section if you (or the purchaser) are making a purchase from outside the EU. See Note 11.
To prevent possible delays in dealing with your notification, please check that you have used the correct commodity
code and import entry details for the vehicle."

Discussion here too

http://www.locostbuilders.co.uk/view...e=1#pid1657345

As far as I can see
1. no
2. yes
3. yes
4. no
5. yes
6. no
7. no
I wish it were that simple.... I now have doubts on a possible future build No 2

CTWV50 9th April 2015 04:28 PM

Even though the DVLA know that a search on the chassis number that they gave me will return nothing by HMRC they want me to write to HMRC and ask them for a letter confirming this. Wow bureaucracy gone mad. I tied the manager up in knots with my arguement that there was quite clearly large amounts of evidence to suggest that there was no chance this car was imported and that HMRC would have no data or oustanding duty on the chassis number that the DVLA gave me. But she said "In this case we need a letter from HMRC."


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