listen...I know both Nathan and Andy personally and they tried really hard to keep saturn/nts above water, but they both succombed to the present economic climate which is very difficult to survive in......Nathan has had a real bad time of it in particular and I'm sure he will honor all debts, but I will say, this is not the place to have a "pop" at each other, if there is bad blood there, I'm sure Nathan is trying hard to mop it up.

Sorry I will not be mentioning this issue again as I feel it is the wrong environment to be talking about my problems I see it is getting heated and personal which is something I don't want as this is helping no one I regret bringing this issue to the forum and appologise for that I suppose I was desperate in a way I hope this issue gets sorted and I can continue with my build

Just one last thing though although I have mentioned the issued (which in hein sight I shouldn't have done) I have never been rude or offensive in ANY of my posts

You should not beat yourself up over this Nathan. There have been bigger and better outfits than yours hitting troubled times,some of the best buisness men in the country have lost the shirts off their backs on the way to greater fortunes. As far as being hated I dont think you could get further from the truth. You could make life a lot easier for yourself though if you just kept people updated so they know whats going on and that costs nothing.

Bob

Well said gents.

ok this is obviously getting very heated, I just want to clarify a couple of things, first off Nathan and myself were obviously typing at the same time so both our posts were made without seeing the other.

What I was trying to promote was a positive way forward.

On one hand I tried very hard to note the difficulties that a business trying to provide services in a niche market to customers who are 'building to a budget' coupled with the current climate face.

On the flip side I also tried to note how damaging it can be for an individual to lose out due to a business failure.

I was very careful to try and not criticise anyone personally, business failures these day are extremely common, even in affluent markets, this does not necessarily reflect on the proprietor of the business but a combination of circumstances that quite possibly are beyond their control.

After I 'posted' my reply I read Nathan's, and others, I was concerned that my comments may have been misconstrued so first off I rang Nathan who answered first time. We had a 20 minute chat about various things and we have a few things in common, I'm not going into further details here as its off subject but hope you get everything sorted Nathan.

One thing, no one has commented on is my original proposal, can we not club together as a community and help to fix this?

Nathan is in a tough place and could use some support, Michael is also in a predicament and could also use some help, these were the sentiments of my post which seem to have been lost in the politics.

At no point have I taken sides in this but rather seen an unfortunate situation which could use a little help.

Positive comments please.

(no doubt the time its taken me to write this there's prob loads more replies which make it out of context)

+ £50 if it helps.

Bob

I with Robo on this that communication has been the let down really.Anyway for an idea what if Nathan can negotiate with Andy who now has the moulds to take the money refunded so far to mgglep for materials to make his bodywork and then Nathan pays andy the remainder. That way mgglep will get his bodywork and andy also gets some business.

TY Robo and Ozzy, we're moving forward :) what the current businesses don't realise is they're missing out on a huge marketing plug here, what better publicity than customer service!

Sorry if I've got a bit OTT on this one but the forum's at its best when its got the community spirit :)

D.O.S mine was just a notion put out there as a possible solution. I dont think you will find any takers for the so called marketing plug because at the end of the day they dont make that much profit on bodywork I believe so it would cost them a fair whack for your plug idea.And fair or not I believe u make ur bed u lie in it. All credit to Nathan for trying to make a go of it and I do recall the posts where he said he was going to honour goods and services owed so kudos to him for having balls to do so. Like I said originally communication goes a long way to helping alleviate someones feeling they have been ripped off.