I would errr on the "keep it lower than 355mm" for the chassis height by a milly or so rather than being high as higher will play hell with body work, more to the point the fitting of the nosecone.

double check the measurement on br7. if that is correct the problem will be caused by the front frame being wrong. if it is the ff that is wrong and it was my chassis i would cut it out and do it again.

ff2 and ff3 are gits to cut. have you considered buying just ff2 and ff3 from armoto as they are cnc cut and spot on it will prob cost you £10 to save a lot of cocking around.

I'll second that Ash. :)

That front frame gave me a hard time :eek:

I ended up making a second one :o :o

Ok, problem solved, it was that the part of ff2 and ff3 that was meant to be 290mm was about 4-5mm too long on either side. I just cut into it with the angle grinder and cut about 4mm off on eithe side. The thing is once i took the grinder out, ff2 and ff3 sprund downward showing that tr1 and tr2 had been forcably bent becasue ff2 and 3 were too long. Ok now to get u7 u1 and u2 fitted:D :D

Edit: also it was a very quick fix, less than 15 min

Ok, well i just tacked in u1 and u2, but ive lowered tr1 and tr2 just abit lower than 355 to about 354, this means that the distance between u1 and u2 is about 359 not 361mm, but i dont think this will be a problem:rolleyes:

the measurement of 359mm instead 361mm is critical but can be resolved.............

the position of U1 & U2 creates the angle & measurement of the upper rear suspension brackets ( front suspension ) , so when time comes when you fit these brackets be aware that the measurement change will need to taken into account ;)
myself i would try to maintain the distance of 361mm between the uprights as it makes it easier to correctly place the suspension brackets.

hope this makes sense? the geometry of the suspension set up is a critical one as it affects various things.

happy building:cool:

andy

Hi guys I`m wanting to buy a pre cut pack from armoto but need his number or email so as to find out the lastest prices and availability-can anyone help?cheers guys!
Andrew

Andy,
log onto ebay, get the chassis pack up on the screen (found in Haynes Roadster search) look at the chassis auction, at very bottom of the advert/auction it gives there email address / telephone number & postal address. ;)

andy

ah cheers mate!! Im still waiting for the email back off him so Ill give him a ring instead-thanks again andy.are ya down here 2moro?if so Ill collect table off ya and give ya a hand should ya need it-laters!
Andrew

Hi, ok well i only spent about an hour this afternoon,but got sb1 and sb2 welded on. I only tacked them on lightly in case i welded them at a slightly incorrect angle which was a good idea as it was only slightly off as predicted, but this was easily fixed as i left enough play in sb1's. Well atm all parts are dimensionally acurate with about +-0.5mm in most places but in one or 2 places im about 2-3mm off(not bad i guess). Well i wont be building this weekend as im busy and until next thursday as im off for the shell economy marathon at rockingham raceway:D . Here my progress so far:

Also i thought i should introduce myself, well, my name is Murtaza im 16, yes 16 and currently go to trinity school in croydon. I have been involved with trinity school racing(link) for about 4 years and have a thorough interest and experiance(i hope)in all things mechanical. Trinty school racing is really what got me interested in this sort of thing in the first place and i absoloutely love it. My first car repairs were earlier this year where my dads car engine needed replacing and i volenteered to do it and all went well. I thought about building a car soon after and at first was very keen to build a replica of one of these and after much research i found that it would be too difficult to design this and there were too many complications of going into the unknown. I then came across ron champions book and read that, only then to find the book by chris gibbs. After further reasearch i started to build this as i have just over 2 months as my gcse's finished 2 weeks ago. I am lucky to be funded by my parents as they wholey encourage me to do things like this. I hope i havnt picked somthing to do thats to much for myself, but so far so good. Well i guess many of you will think im quite lucky to be building this at 16, but so do i:D . Well i think that i will enjoy the process of the build throughly(apart from the fact i wont be able to drive it when im finished:p ) and so far would like to thank everybody on the forum who has helped me and given me advice to get to the stage im at now. Thanks;)

wow thats alot of involvement in a mechanical background for one so young, :cool:
the project of building a Roadster must be quite a challenge that will be something to be very proud of when you have completed the build,
may i ask how long are you thinking it will take to complete your Roadster ? i,m thinking of when you become old enough to drive etc

said with a smile :D my son is older than you & you now make me feel very old , laughs :eek: :D
seriously tho... best of luck with your build, the forum is here to help all Roadster builders regardless of age.

cheers
andy

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Well done Geeman,I am impressed,very impressed,you can be well proud of yourself and I bet your parents are also,good on them for encouraging you.Keep up the good work,I am sure that you will see it through and you will have good reason to be proud of yourself.Something tells me that you will go a long way in this life,stay focused,see the project through to completion.Regards David

Cant believe your tackling this at 16 years old :eek: shouldnt you be down the park drinking cider and throwing up on other 16 year olds!

On a serious note it will be a fantastic achievment for someone so young to finish a build like this. There will be times im sure when things cause you problems (im sure everyone will agree) its just part and parcel of building something like this, but keep at it and dont lose your motivation and you will get there :cool:

Well done young Man ! Be an Engineer not a Mechanic.:)

Mark,not all of them are car stealing,beer drinking drug taking Chav u hate,1 % is not that bad!

Good on you geeman :)

It is refreshing to see a youngster inerested in this type of project :cool:

I hope your build goes well & the end product exceedes your expectations :) :)

i second that.

HI all, thanks for all the encouragement given. I really appreciate all the help i can get and really am enjoying this so far. Handyandy, i hope to finish the bulk of this project in the coming 2 months, and then slowly get it to iva standard within a year(or if im lucky much sooner). Im 17 this september so can get my liscence then but i am nearly 100% sure i wont be able to get any insurance until im at least 19. again thanks for the encouragement, it means alot.:)

Well today i havnt been very busy, i got the chance to do some more so finished tacking on some of the rear bits, but i stopped todays work after getting througholy stuck when trying to cut sb5 and sb6 so gave up for today I thought id cut it right, then when i tried to put it in place it was completely wrong so ill try next week.





Well i wont be building for more than an hour tomorrow and then will be taking a break until friday as i wont be home, ill be enjoying the shell economy marathon .
Thanks

Hats off to ya Murtaza! its coming along nicely-well done fella!gonna be frustrating when its built and legally ya cant drive it!(I did say legally lol!)
Andrew

your chassis is looking really nice, thats alot you,ve achieved in a week :cool:
well done Murtaza :)

andy

Well done Murtaza, Chassis is looking spot on, Keep up the good work

Looks great, very inpressed, keep up the good work

AshG .
I should have been politically correct and put "technician" (owner of NVQ)but I served an apprenticeship and you know where I am comming from !

(it was more like a sentence)

or is it "you be the technician & i,ll be the oily rag" :D :D

andy

It's your fantasy,be the oily rag. I am a mechanic not a "technician " !!!!!:p

Not a number either !!!!!!!!

well ive been busy for the past 8 days and only just got back to working on it today. id call today about day 5 of the build, but i havnt spent more than a few hours today. I managed to tack in a few of the sb's at the back apart from sb5 and 6 as they are a pain to cut. I put in 2 diagonals d6 and d5, and the remaining tr's at the top front that support the suspension brackets. I also made a start on the rear suspension area doing the top and bottom frames.

you can cut the 76 degree angle using the rage you just have to make a jig for it

The easy way to cut these angles (with any power saw) is to cut a piece of wood to a known angle of say 40 degrees, then clamp that, and the piece of steel you want to cut, into the saw and set it at (in this case) 36 degrees.

I havnt posted on here for a few days, but have been busy building for some of them. I have now completed the transmission tunnel and almost done the steering wheel supports. I couldnt finish the rear section as i havent yet bended the 19mm tube at the back. I have also made all my suspension/shock brackets and many of the chassis plates, although if i were to do this again i almost certainly woould buy the chassis plates from 3ge as it would save alot of time and hassle. I hope to start to get the suspension brackets on either tomorrow or on thursday, but id say im making good progress. My evo rage 3 blade is wearing out quickly and im now using the angle grinder much much more to cut metal, which is a shame.






The biggest development for em however is getting a ford sierra!! After much hunting i found one about a 40 min drive away which was taxed and mot'd till august. Its a 1.8 cvh unfourtunately with a type 9, although i thought it would have an mt75 before i bought it!!
Its a 1992 h reg and done only 80k, whcih matches the past mot certificates(was worried it may have done 180 or 280k!!) HOwever im getting wuite alot of smoke when i rev it up fully, otherwise it seems fine. Its a good car, shame im taking it apart really. Oh yeah, paid £220 for it, but the person drove it here for me so saved me a 1 hour 20 min drive and petrol and insurance costs!!

It is a shame that other youngsters of your age do not follow your example and do something usefull as you are and the end product will be a very well built car.

Well done.:)

Thats some progress Geeman, a big well done :) :cool:
& now a donor car too :eek:

you,re a credit to the youth of today, much respect :)

keep it going .

andy

ok, well i havnt touched it for the past two days, and have just been checking how the suspension brackets will fit and i think i may have a slight problem, just to confirm, the botom of ff2 and ff3 should be parrallel to u1 and u2, as that semms logically correct? The bottom of ff2 for me seems to be a few degrees off but i think i may have solved this by grinding off the welds at the bottom between ff2 and ff1 and most of the weld between ff2 and ff4, then using some leverage, i twisted ff2 around so it is parrallel and then tacked it back in place, it was a quick job and only took a few minutes, and i cant see any thing wrong with it now, I just wondered if there is anything i should look out for when fitting suspension brackets? Thanks

you may need to put a spacer behind the suspension brackets to make them all line up, lots of builders have used 3mm plate behind the bracket.
make sure your jigs for mounting the brackets are to book spec as it is important to get the brackets in the correct place.
cheer
andy

Hi,
When you say they need a 3mm spacer, Which set of brackets are these on, just so i know when i weld them on? :)

i found that spacers were needed on the lower & upper brackets that get welded onto FF2 & FF3.
hope this helps, there are other threads in the chassis section discussing this also.
cheers
andy

Thanks, but today i finally planned on getting those suspension brakets on, when i had completely overlooked the fact that i should have 13mm holes in the jigs where the m12 studding goes through. I dont have a drill at home that has a chuck bigger than 10mm, and dont have any drill bits bigger than that:( . I think i may endup going to screfix or equivlant tomorrow to buy a new drill and bits as i completely forgot that my drill chuck only goes to 10mm:rolleyes: , but i guess a new drill will do me good in the long run:D

Well i havnt really done a whole lot of wor since the 14th. I am yet to fit suspension brakets as i cant make the jigs as i keep forgetting to order stuff i need from screwfix. I always leave it till the last minute, then miss the 8pm deadline for next day delivery and then just do the same the next day:o . Also for the bolts attaching the wishbones to the suspension brakets, are they just m12 as that would make sense. also can i just use m12 studding and put a nut on either end instead odf using nuts and bolts. Thanks

Hi

Possibly 12mm studding is not the best option to use within a bush.

A set bolt would do at a push ( Threadded its entire length )

I would reccommed however that a propper shanked bolt would be the best option for the suspension bush bolts.

I have used some temporary set bolts to move my build about. When I am ready I will try to source some M12 bolts with about 40mm of plain shank & then trim the excess thread back. ;)

Before I get slated, that is just my own personal view :D :D

well, progress has been reasonable, ive now finalllllllyyy fitted the suspension brackets which were just really annoying to fit, but the chassis was dimensionally accurate so no real adjusments were needed, it just took ages to fit them.



I have also bought every thing i need to get my chassis rolling(apart fom ball joints). most of it should be delivered by tuesday. Il bee taking apart the sierra on tuesday next week, and hopefully have wheels and steering on my chassis by next friday(:D ) as there isnt a whole lot needed to be done to get to that stage. i dont need to fabricate anything else, apart from complete the lower front wishbones on delivery of the plate for it. Also in the end i went for all orange bodywork similar to spud69's and handyandy's which i cant wait for. also i wondered any one know vaguely what the lead time on booking an iva is as if its like months id better book it soon as i hope to complete the car by the end of this year at the latest, but hopefully by the start of september(doubtful) before i go back to school. also ive added all my pics to flickr, which can be found here


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