Been modding forums for 10 years. Never had a situation quite like this.

TT

Can the offending posts be removed TT?
I think I speak for 99.9% of the regulars on here when I say it's lowering the integrity of the forum and off-putting to new members.
I only joined the forum a couple of months ago, and without the friendliness and helpfulness of you guys, I don't know if I'd have continued coming on, and almost certainly wouldn't have invested my hard earned cash on a chassis.
I wouldn't like to think potential new builders would be put off by one persons opinions.
All the guys involved in the setting up of the owners club deserve support and recognition, not accused of profiteering and their integrity questioned.

I think it should now be safe to put those posts behind us and move forwards. Keith (Mighty Mouth) has been developing a style for the new club website and I'm sure Handy is beavering away to get technical and legal stuff sorted like registering with the data protection commissioner etc. None of this is going to happen overnight and as I recall Handy did suggest that we give a bit of time so that forum members who couldn't be at Stoneleigh could give their input. Perhaps an update of progress if there is any?

One point that I don't recall being discussed was the opening of a bank account, I know we discussed signatories but I don't recall anything about which bank to go with. On this point might I suggest we try the Co-op? I have my business bank account with the Co-op and apart from their online banking system being flaky they're pretty good. Online banking won't be an issue as I believe Ash pointed out that clubs will not be given this facility anyway. Co-op pay interest on my business current account too so they might be worth looking at, just a suggestion.

D.

I can't believe what I have just read in this thread:mad:
This forum is by far the best I have ever come across, the knowledge, helpfulness and humour of the people here is exceptional. My build would be nowhere near where it is without the enormous amount of help and encouragement I have had from many members on here. To see some of those members being berated by somebody is, quite frankly, upsetting.
For what it is worth I believe a club would be a great idea, I will certainly be running a discount scheme for all members, I am sure the club will be of tremendous value to builders and drivers of completed cars alike. I have never met Andy but I have dealt with him on many occasions, had I been at Stoneleigh I am sure he would have had my vote.
Enough said.
Enoch.

Davey,

As you say lets move on.

I am going to spend the rest of the week looking into a bank account for the club any information from you guys that have run clubs before will be really helpful.

Davey your thoughts have been noted and are as always very helpful.

Keith if you are reading this is there any chance you could send me (via email gingeatwell@virginmedia.com ) the logo you have done for the HSCC in the top left of the screen shots of the HSCC web page. Ideally in it’s separate components, ie.
The Haynes colours,
Laurel wreath
Chassis
HSCC, letters.

It is just I want to play around with it to make it good for T-Shirts/Polo shirts, as black doesn’t stand out well on a dark blue or green polo shirt!

Moving on.

Cheers Ginge

One reason I like the Co-Op bank that I forgot to mention earlier is they are an ethical bank. That is to say they only invest in ethical products.

Here's a link to their website: http://www.co-operativebank.co.uk/se...Sweb/Page/Bank

D.

The archery club i belong to uses Alliance & Leicester Commercial, we have had no problems with them over the years and they also give interest on the account.

Terry

Terry,

I will give them a bell in the morning thanks.

Cheers Ginge

Have you got Photoshop? If so I can send the layered image. Otherwise what format would you like it in. The problem is that it is quite low resolution so will not be great for T-shirts etc.

Keith,

Photoshop CS2 is my preferred weapon of choice, I am a qualified photographer I’ll have you know,:D so a PSD would be fantastic thanks, I should be able to make it high res.

Thank you very much,

Ginge

Your Roadster Club Update
 

Hello all,

I feel compelled to inform you of the response I received from Haynes.co.uk regarding a request for the "Consent and Approval" of use of the name "Haynes" within a domain name.

As per Haynes.co.uk "Terms and Conditions" policy, I contacted Haynes.co.uk on the afternoon of 10th May 2010. for consent and approval for including their name within a domain name that I intended to purchase.

Haynes.co.uk responded by advising me that the use of the name "Haynes" is not granted within a domain name, however, they did grant me permission to link to, including deeplinks to both their website Haynes.co.uk and this Forum.

I bring this to your attention, as I am aware that you are in the process of creating a membership club based on the "Haynes Roadster".

I must point out that the permissions that I have received, are directly associated with my request to Haynes.co.uk.

If you require similar permissions, you must request these through Haynes.co.uk yourself.

From the information received, the name of your club needs to be re-evaluated to conform to Haynes.co.uk policy.

Therefore, I have created an "Open Chat Room" for all Forum members to gather, (maximum seats available at any one time is 100) to discuss this matter and anything else.

There are no advertisements, nothing, so long as you are over 18 years of age you may use this service, which is a free service that I am offering.

I will keep this open until 20:00 hours this evening, after that the room will be closed down, until the same time tomorrow 18:00 - 20:00 hours BST.
Click here
http://www.hotconference.com/conference,75479794

Please sign in with your forum username for recognition purposes.


DAVID

I have not had much time to be part of the instigation and development of the roadster owners club BUT i'm sure that all permissions have already been sought via Haynes for use of the name and relevant rights. I'm sure that the relevant people will be along shortly to clarify exactly what has been carried out.

For a first post David, could you first introduce yourself, atleast, before submitting a post of this nature.

Thanks.....AndyH

Here we go again, my bold

I feel compelled to inform you of the response I received from Haynes.co.uk regarding a request for the "Consent and Approval" of use of the name "Haynes" within a domain name.

Sorry are you on the committee, is the club having the word ‘Haynes’ in the domain name.

As per Haynes.co.uk "Terms and Conditions" policy, I contacted Haynes.co.uk on the afternoon of 10th May 2010. for consent and approval for including their name within a domain name that I intended to purchase.

Well done bully for you there are people who have closer links to Haynes than you or I. Please keep your nose out and stop jeopardizing their attempts at getting Haynes on side.

Haynes.co.uk responded by advising me that the use of the name "Haynes" is not granted within a domain name, however, they did grant me permission to link to, including deeplinks to both their website Haynes.co.uk and this Forum.

Why would they grant a complete stranger, who has requested to use their name out of the blue, permission.

I bring this to your attention, as I am aware that you are in the process of creating a membership club based on the "Haynes Roadster".

Wrong, get your facts right before jumping in with both feet, again.

I must point out that the permissions that I have received, are directly associated with my request to Haynes.co.uk.

Exactly why did you bother you have done more harm than good.

If you require similar permissions, you must request these through Haynes.co.uk yourself.

Really, you reckon, we are doing it!

From the information received, the name of your club needs to be re-evaluated to conform to Haynes.co.uk policy.

How about we decide things like this.

It's not the first post, all the others have been removed.

TT

Well Said gingea1pom
 

Hello all,

I totally understand what gingea1pom is saying, I should keep my nose out!

However, if you read my original post, hopefully, you will realize that I am providing an update on the legalities of forming a club, with the possibility / intention of using the "Haynes" name within the domain name.

Admittedly, each request is considered on it's own merits, as indeed my request was dealt with.

I am merely pointing out that the use of the "Haynes" name must be approved by "Haynes" themselves.

I apologise, if I have jumped the gun, but as no confirmation of the new club name has appeared on this forum, I assumed that, so far "no progress" has been attempted or made.

I am only trying to provide info.

DAVID

David,

I understand where you are coming from, but there are people who have some clout with Haynes that are in talks with them.

If they allow us to call the club the Haynes Sports Car Club we could possibly use the domain name HSCC.

Please don’t now go and ask Haynes if you can call a club the Haynes Sports Car Club!

Please let those that are working behind the scenes do their work.

Enough said?

hello gingea1pom and all,

Yes, thank you for your response.

My intention was to inform, about the legality issue, which I have done.

Unfortunately, hscc.com is already owned and seems to be an eastern oriental website.

This is what I was trying to get at, get a domain name and permissions etc.

This info not only applies to the new "Club" but also to anyone that intends to create a website of their own build, mentioning a trademark, such as Haynes.

Trademarks and copyright or serious matters to be considered.

David

I was sad when I sold my Roadster but always wanted to remain loyal to the forum (and friends from it). I even offered to assist the new club as a vehicle registrar - linking in with the engraved build plaques I purchased.
However, reading posts like the above make me think perhaps it's time to move on?
The forum attack last year was bad enough - especially all the crap on LCB before it happened. I just now get that bad feeling again that someone seems to want to come along and spoil things.
G'day and good luck all!
slim

I for one just want to voice my support for the comittee members (many whom I met at Stoneleigh). Although I couldn't stay for the meeting in the evening, I felt very comfortable that all who attended had the clubs best interest at heart and showed a real commitment to doing things the right way. I think the certain posts could undermine the good work being carried out by the elected committe and if a forum member has genuine concerns about anything then a PM would be preferable in the first instance, it's just common courtesy in my opinion. Keep up the good work guys.

HERE HERE !

im sure the comitte are quiet ok with sorting the details on thair own
if thay need help im sure thay can ask for it from thoes who thay think is best for the job.
lets no mess it all up for everyone

Hello all,

I look forward to hearing the name of your new club, along with it's URL.

David

urmyworld - while you may think you are helping please let the committee get on and do its job.

Having been on this forum for over 18 months now (since I first considered building the car) I have to say that it is the most pleasant helpful and friendly forum I have ever been on. The reason people are so angry about your interference is because of the passion and comradeship they have built up on this forum. I have made a number of friends on here and the generosity and banter is fantastic. It feels like I am chatting with old friends when I come on here - no question is too stupid and everyone helps each other out unconditionally.

You seem to have appeared from nowhere and bulldozed your way in, thinking you are helping. If you believe you can help then please contact one of the committee members. There is no hierarchy on the this forum - this forum exists in such a brilliant way because of the mutual respect we all have to each other - from teenagers to OAPs, engineers to accountants all helping each other out. Please don't think that you will get away with railroading your way into a position of power on this forum - the committee members are all in place because they are trusted, respected members of the roadster community. I am 100% behind the club and will do anything I can to assist the committee if they require any assistance.

Now please let the guys get on and sort the club out - I'm sure official announcements will follow in due course.

Having only just read through the recent posts on this thread, I'm also a little taken aback by the counter-productive efforts.... but that's neither here nor there in the bigger picture of starting a club.

I'd just like to cheekily enquire about some features I've thought need centralisation. The honest fact is we need a forum with more sections. We need a place for our build diaries, FAQs and tips and tricks to assist the new guys asking about revisions and IVA modifications. A proper photo gallery would be a god send, so people can not only put there build photos on, but look through and see how other people have done it.

I would have thought a massive benefit of a club, is to pass on knowledge from a build. Sadly the free forum offered by Haynes, I feel, has been out grown. Its great, but lacks features and management (as highlighted by the earlier posts).

All the other functions can be part of the website, personaly I don't like forums with tooo many categories it just gets dis-jointed.

Having used/run/moderated/admined car forums for 10+ years I think this one works quite well as it stands.

The only issue is the moderation. Not that it generaly needs much.

TT

Hello all,

The intention of my post referring to the use of the Haynes name within a domain name was to bring this to the attention of all 1688 members of this forum, and was not aimed at just the club.

For example, if my name was David Haynes, and I was going to set up a gardening website, I do not think that I would require permission from Haynes to use the domain name DavidHaynesGardens.com as this would be obvious that I am David Haynes and my website is about gardens.

As opposed to someone creating a website about the Haynes Roadster that they have built and using the domain name "mywonderfulhaynesroadster.com" this would be going against Haynes policy and could land the person in trouble.

I hope this further explains the reason for my post, I was only raising awareness of this issue to the forum members and not having a go at the club.

David

Twin Turbo, yes your right, those additional features could be part of the website as a whole, but rather than trying to write a bespoke website to integrate those features as separate elements, I imagine it would be easier to use existing features on solid forum software. Another attack on the forums or club would be a disaster and I can see the requirement for some robust software.

Plus I think that any and all facilities of the club should be independent of any persons (so far as reasonably practicable). If someone falls out, leaves, becomes ill etc, then we could end up loosing these resources.

Also the idea of an "elected" committee is a little grand for a vote by 0.5% of the members of forum. I think its great that people are volunteering their free time to organise such a resource for builders/owners etc, I just think that if I'm going to pay a subscription/membership then these committee members could be properly voted upon by clubs members, after the club has been established for X months.

The view from here
 

Just a few points to make if I may !!

To date, this forum has 1,688 members only 279 choose to be an active part of the forum :(

So to correct the .5% statement .... Less than 20% of the forum members are active & in order to express any personal preference " You need to be active " !!

It is a sad fact of life that in order to set up any form of club, an interim committee will need to be in place before inception .
This is vital to give the club a solid starting foundation.

Many forum members have welcomed the formation of some form of Builders Club .... Action was taken at Stoneleigh to ensure the dream becomes a reality, otherwise it would remain " Nothing more than a pipe dream " ;)

It was decided at Stoneleigh that 30 days should be allowed to pass, in order for all forum members not attending the show, have a fair chance to air their views .

I am sure that all of the interim committee members would welcome the input of all forum members.

It is only right that once the club is up and running, votes can be taken in order to have a committee that has the full backing of the club membership.

Anyone who objects to any of the clubs interim committee members should say so.

So come on folks .... Air your views & say what you mean .... We need input to get the club off the ground :)

The point I was making (albeit very poorly) was that, myself, not following this particular thread, had to go through 100+ posts, 13 pages in, to find the declaration of the club and its committee.

I thoroughly support a proper owners club and hope to take full advantage of it. However there was no post in the "Announcements section" to bring this 30 day deadline to anyone's attention, otherwise the idea of community involvement is a little defunct, if your not bringing it to the attention of the community.

All I'm saying is that you need to separate out the chit chat from important announcements.

That is a fair point Deezee, I must take responsibility for the information of the voted in committee being kept on this thread, in hindsight it may have been better to post that information under a new thread on the announcements section, apologies for this , but my thinking was to try and keep it all in the same thread.
A fair a constructive point Deezee :)

cheers
andy

Handy,

Rather than a whole new thread, why not an announcement post pointing to the first post about the club?

One of the only problems with this forum is that we do not have any admin rights in order to post announcements then close the thread to to stop additional post and also that we cannot make sticky threads of important information.

[quote=MightyMouth;38523]Handy,

Rather than a whole new thread, why not an announcement post pointing to the first post about the club?

/QUOTE]

MM......good idea, i take it you mean a link to the relevant post showing the discussions that were held at stoneleigh?
As Deezee has pointed out the info has been hidden within this thread, maybe its due to the popularity of the whole idea.
If so then thats a good solution to a highlighted problem, :cool:

Would you be kind enough to create that link please Mighty Mouth ?

cheers
andy

There's no need for a Bespoke site, there's content engines out there that will do all you want and more

TT

Yes, I am planning on using Joomla with a custom template.

No Problem

Thanks MM, just seen the link, :cool:

cheers
andy

Keith,

How did you make it go straight to the post and not the start of the thread?

I started to think I was getting good at creating links, that put me back in my box.

Haha, there are several ways but the easiest is to look in the upper right corner of the post and find the number, in this case it shows #125. That number is a link to the post but if you use that link it will only show that post and not the rest of the thread, the trick is to alter that URL.

If you look at the URL for the post it is "http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=37541&postcount=125"

The bit after the PHP? is the important bit. p=37541 is the global forum post number and the &postcount=125 is the thread post number which adds the number in the upper right corner. This makes it link only to that post without the rest of the thread.

If you replace the &postcount=125 with &post=37541 so the link looks like "http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=37541&post=37541" that will make it go to the the post within the thread.

If you leave off the &post=37541 so the link looks like "http://www.haynes.co.uk/forums/showpost.php?p=37541" it will do the same as if you leave the &postcount=125 except it won't show the post number in the upper right corner.

Does that make any sense at all? :D

Edit:

Actually I just noticed the real easiest way is to click the number in the upper right then on the page that opens copy the link above that number that says Thread: such and such

hover over the post number on the right of the post

No MM......:confused:

We can build cars but we cant do everything.....;)

Club Gazebo
 

It might be a bot early to start thinking about but there is a Gazebo on sale at Aldi this week