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BlaydonBodger 23rd March 2011 08:50 AM

Seamless tube
 
Ok I am about to make some bones and and I would love to know why was it decided that 19mm seamless was the way to go for top wishbones? Why not 18mm or 20mm? :confused:

From what I am led to believe, in industry, 18mm and 20mm are by far the more frequently used tubes and hence far more easily obtained by the likes of me who is building in true locost style and trying to spend nothing whatsoever:)

I am just a little curious to know where the 19mm came from particularaly as i have about 5m of 18mm hydraulic seamless with a 2.65 wall (I think) which was very kindly donated:D to the cause lying in my workshop.

So what do you guys think; should I throw caution to the wind and use the 18mm tube?

Jimmyd 23rd March 2011 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by BlaydonBodger (Post 55566)
Ok I am about to make some bones and and I would love to know why was it decided that 19mm seamless was the way to go for top wishbones? Why not 18mm or 20mm? :confused:

From what I am led to believe, in industry, 18mm and 20mm are by far the more frequently used tubes and hence far more easily obtained by the likes of me who is building in true locost style and trying to spend nothing whatsoever:)

I am just a little curious to know where the 19mm came from particularaly as i have about 5m of 18mm hydraulic seamless with a 2.65 wall (I think) which was very kindly donated:D to the cause lying in my workshop.

So what do you guys think; should I throw caution to the wind and use the 18mm tube?

You are correct 20mm is more readily available and I know many have used it. Although someone with real engineering experience will probbaly come along with reasons why not to, if I had the 18mm costing nothing I'd use it. Sometimes I wonder if Chris used certain sizes simply because he had them available? I may get shot for that comment.

J

p.s. I don't know why the unhappy face is in this reply but I can't get rid of it!!!!

Enoch 23rd March 2011 12:18 PM

Maybe it's because 19mm is the closest to 3/4 inch? If he had 3/4 inch to hand, used that then converted it to metric it would have come out at 19mm.

Talonmotorsport 23rd March 2011 12:25 PM

You can use 18-20-22-25mm -3/4" 7/8" 1" CDS if you want for the top wishbones or even ERW if your saving money although I would'nt go lower than 2mm wall. I've done a few pairs of top fronts in 25mm tube and they look quite chunky. I would not use hyd. grade CDS though as it's anealed so it can be formed to tight bends.

Bonzo 23rd March 2011 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Enoch (Post 55569)
Maybe it's because 19mm is the closest to 3/4 inch? If he had 3/4 inch to hand, used that then converted it to metric it would have come out at 19mm.

Yep that's my view too :)

Wishbones have traditionaly made from 1" & 3/4" tube, probably going way back to the original Lotus 7

As Enoch said, this equates to 25mm & 19mm in metric.

If memory serves me right, the original lo-cost had wishbones made from 1.6mm wall thickness tube !!??

Personaly, I would use the 18mm tube that you have to hand, the wall is certianly thick enough.

AshG 23rd March 2011 01:57 PM

i used 20mm because it was what i had look at the top wishbones on a caterham they are about 15mm

fabbyglass 23rd March 2011 02:18 PM

Most if not all Kit Car firms use 14swg ERW not CDS

flyerncle 23rd March 2011 06:49 PM

Got plenty of ends if you want them Mick,let me know I will fish them out.

BlaydonBodger 23rd March 2011 10:38 PM

Thanks guys some great info there

Talon, you say you wouldnt use hydraulic as its annealed yet hydraulic tube gets a mention in the book.... I am just trying to get some perspective here... are you suggesting it shouldnt be used or are you saying its ok but there are better options? I have had a quick look at the specs and tensile strength is comparable to othe rmechanical tubes but yield is quite a bit lower.

Thanks Flyer no doubt I will be pestering you tomorrow if thats ok. It will be good to have a bit of a catch up have made a bit of progerss on that daptor plate.:)

flyerncle 24th March 2011 07:27 AM

Nice to see you Mick I am there till 5pm so any time.


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