haynes and MSA logbook (motorsport)?

[baz-r]

has anyone used thair haynes roadster for any form of competive motorsport?
reason i ask as im looking into using my car for some hillclimb and sprint events for fun and im hoping to be able to get my car into a class where i will not need to do extencive amounts of work to be alowed to compete!
by the sounds of it if its classed as a sports libre (racing one off's) then its 5 point harnesses roll bar work etc. where as other kit based cars (sylvia,westfields etc.) would fall into roadgoing and specialist production cars.
i need to be able to get a log book from the msa has anyone done this and what class was the car put in? (timetrain?)
there is other info i may need like amount of cars produced in total (im hopeing talon may give me some numbers of chassis produced by them) amount of registed cars on the road and so on.

if anyone has any info to help im all ears

[Talonmotorsport]

I think AdrianH on here and on Locostbuilders has used his car for some hill climbing might be worth asking him.

[baz-r]

Originally Posted by Talonmotorsport

I think AdrianH on here and on Locostbuilders has used his car for some hill climbing might be worth asking him.

Any chance you could tell me how meny chassis you make in a year and total built by you? Im looking into low production regs

[PorkChop]

The question is can you prove that 20 chassis were manufactured in 12 months e.g. regulation S 11.1.2. If not, then strictly speaking it goes into Sports Libre, which is something I've realised recently. Apparently though, Locosts tend to be accepted into the Limited Production.

FWIW, Adrian maganed to get his car into road going.

As I understand it, you'll need a cat fitted as the car was built after 1999.

I was looking at the regs for Sports Libre - the main issue is that you'd need a 5 point harness and a seat that would support this. Otherwise I can't see much that would be different from the production classes except for tyres.

[baz-r]

Originally Posted by PorkChop

The question is can you prove that 20 chassis were manufactured in 12 months e.g. regulation S 11.1.2. If not, then strictly speaking it goes into Sports Libre, which is something I've realised recently. Apparently though, Locosts tend to be accepted into the Limited Production.

FWIW, Adrian maganed to get his car into road going.

As I understand it, you'll need a cat fitted as the car was built after 1999.

I was looking at the regs for Sports Libre - the main issue is that you'd need a 5 point harness and a seat that would support this. Otherwise I can't see much that would be different from the production classes except for tyres.

yes this is what im trying to work out. the two scrutineers i spoke to yesterday where also saying about roll hoop's and other safty things that applys to libre's
where as limited production is more relaxed

my thinking was if we could prove the numbers of chassis built anyone could enjoy an easyer and cheeper route into acessable motorsports and would be in classes of other mass made kits like westfields etc.

[baz-r]

other brain wave was to look at how the 750mc classes are graded as there are lots of self builds and kits in thair classes

MSA link

[baz-r]

msa's hand book

MSA year book 2013

[TheArf]

I spoke to some people from 750 motor club at the autosport international and they said as I had a 1.8 ltr engine that it would be entered in to the specials section, if you want to entre the locost series you cant have bigger than 1.3 ltr and I don't think you can run with the IRS

Arfon

[PorkChop]

Originally Posted by TheArf

I spoke to some people from 750 motor club at the autosport international and they said as I had a 1.8 ltr engine that it would be entered in to the specials section, if you want to entre the locost series you cant have bigger than 1.3 ltr and I don't think you can run with the IRS

Arfon

The 750MC's Locost series runs to a very specific set of regulations. The Roadster chassis itself would not be allowed, the regs specifically state a Ron Champion designed chassis. The nearest 750MC class for a CEC would be is the Sport Specials. RGB should be an option for BECs (but I doubt they'd be competitive, too heavy and unaerodynamic compared to the RGB cars I saw at last year's racing at Donington).

Magnificent Sevens is a possibility too, and if I was going circuit racing this would be the series I would look at first.

[PorkChop]

Originally Posted by baz-r

yes this is what im trying to work out. the two scrutineers i spoke to yesterday where also saying about roll hoop's and other safty things that applys to libre's
where as limited production is more relaxed

my thinking was if we could prove the numbers of chassis built anyone could enjoy an easyer and cheeper route into acessable motorsports and would be in classes of other mass made kits like westfields etc.

I dug out my copy of the Blue Book last night. As I understand it, the roll bar (as per diagram K1 in section K of the Blue Book) would be allowed in Sports Libre as would a full cage (K2 in the Blue Book). In road going, the roll bars are recommended, but not mandatory. You'd be daft not to have one though.

With this in mind, I have heard of scrutineers failing cars with safety gear that did not meet MSA spec, even though it wasn't a requirement for the cars to have that safety gear fitted. FWIW, a book spec rollbar would not pass MSA scrutineering without a certificate. No diagonal, the dual bend in the rollbar might not pass, I'm not convinced the back stays would pass either.

I looked up Adrian's car, he ran it (entered as a Haynes Roadster) in the North West's road going kit car section which incorporates rule S 11.1.2, classes 2A, 2B, 2C and 2D. 2A and 2B are car engined classes, 2C is bike engined, 2D is everything else that is illegible for 2A, 2B or 2C. He ran in 2D. I think this is because for 2A and 2B, you must have a windscreen fitted. Adrian doesn't AFAIK.