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andyuk697 26th August 2009 06:01 PM

doner needed (yorkshire)
 
as title says really

ford sierra preff 2.0L type 9 etc etc

cheers Andy

andyuk697 29th August 2009 06:24 PM

if the sierra route fails whats the next low budget option of a doner

thanks Andy

mr henderson 29th August 2009 06:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyuk697 (Post 20988)
if the sierra route fails whats the next low budget option of a doner

It won't fail, there are still plenty out there. I would advise spending more if necessary and getting abetter one. By the time you've paid out for everything, a couple of hundred saved on a donor will seem quite irrelevant. Get a runner and drive it for a while, find out if everything is working well, replace anything that isn't. That will be a good starting position.

Next potential donor is the E36 3 series BMW, but obviously modifications to the Haynes design will need to be made, and special parts will be needed also.

andyuk697 8th September 2009 09:02 PM

the search still continues....

is there any model or year of sierra that cant be used? or
is there a prefered model or year to look for do i need to look for one with milleage under a certain amount for eg 200,000
if i do find one come up i dont want to jump on the wrong one lol

thanks Andy

davidimurray 8th September 2009 11:42 PM

The 2L Pinto is quite a rare beast to track down. I'm using the 1.8 Pinto, although I would have also gone for a 1.8 CVH. Personally I'm not a big fan of the DOHC and MT75 box due to their size. My plan is to build the car and get it running with my 1.8 pinto, this also allows me to go for an age related plate. Then while hooning around in the car prep a C20xe to slide under the bonnet for a truly :eek: experience

aerosam 9th September 2009 10:13 PM

How about buying any old sierra with a type 9 gearbox, and getting a 2.0 pinto elsewhere? Scrappie, ebay? Trawl the retro ford/capri/escort/sierra/granada forums and you should find a few good ones for sale.

andyuk697 24th September 2009 06:30 PM

can i use a 1991 f reg sierra or will it have wrong engine and box ?
what about a pinto with efi? can i use that engine

thanks Andy

richardk 24th September 2009 08:30 PM

What about this bad boy?http://retrorides.proboards.com/inde...y&thread=67902 go and get it , drive it back, if it makes it back to yorkshire its a good un !! Good price though.

Cheers

Rich

andyuk697 24th September 2009 08:57 PM

cool think its a bit further than i would like to travel tho
just missed out on one on ebay for 250 :( congrats if it was someone on here that won it

Andy

deezee 25th September 2009 08:00 AM

I wouldn't worry too much about the engine in the car, its not like you HAVE to use the engine. I'd concentrate on getting one with the right running gear and gearbox.

You can use any engine off the sierra and any gearbox. Its just that the pinto and a type 9 is the easiest to squeeze into a kitcar. In all honesty, the more you read about kitcars, you'll probably end up modifying your scope / design.

I decided to source my engine separately, because it will be a long wait for the perfect donor, plus I wanted a pre-cat engine as I think its easier to set up a carb engine than fuel injection / cat converter.

andyuk697 25th September 2009 05:48 PM

oh right so if i get a cheap type 9 gear box from one car an engine from another diff from another it wont matter?
do i just need a full car if im going for the age related plates from the car?
will it cause problems with the sva?
its all very confusing at first lol

Andy

HandyAndy 25th September 2009 05:54 PM

basically thats correct, as long as the parts are interchangeable then you can source from where ever for each part, it just means that as you can,t PROVE which car your component parts came from originally you WILL get a Q plate upon registration, some people think this is a bonus too.
tho it may help when you have your IVA test to be able to prove the year of manufacture of the engine so that the emissions test can be carried out to the rules of which year the engine is applied to, you can gain the info on the age of the engine from the engine number & contact Ford or someone like Burton power etc.
hope that helps a little.
cheers
andy

andyuk697 25th September 2009 07:20 PM

thanks guys all info helps and it also helps others who read too

i spend hours reading through threads on here and find loads my head is swelling with knowledge lol

another question though should i stay away from later reg cars like 1990 1991 92 93 or can they be good for everything but the gearbox as i believe the type 9 was stopped being used in 1988 but i do i see pinto's in later years? will they be on mt75 box's?
can you fit a type 9 box on a dohc?

cheers Andy

HandyAndy 25th September 2009 07:50 PM

not sure where you got your info from but the later cars don,t all have the MT75 gearbox, tho my donor was a 1990 & had a 1.8cvh with a type 9 box so all good for the build.

cheers
andy

andyuk697 25th September 2009 08:28 PM

hi andy it was off www.zetecinside.com gearbox guide it says ....

The Type 9 was Fords first RWD five speed box, and based on the Type E. This gearbox is commonly used for 5 speed conversions on older vehicles. Some later versions were available with integral bellhousings, although they are more commonly found with removable bellhousings. A 4wd version of this box was also available for the early XR4x4 models. Power rating: Approx 200BHP

Fitted in:
Capri 1.6/2.0 02/83 on
Capri 2.8 11/82 on
Sierra 1.6/1.8/2.0 to 12/88
Sierra XR4i
Sierra XR4x4 2.8

im :confused:

Andy

Bonzo 25th September 2009 09:02 PM

I have owned, serviced & repaired many Sierras ( Both Own cars & customer ones )

I have never seen a MT75 box in anything other than the 2 Litre DOHC engined Sierra.

I do know that the last hadfull of petrol Sierras had either the 2L DOHC engine or a revised 1.6 CVH engine
These changes took place in late 91

Perhaps the dates given on the Zetec inside forum refer to the dates that the earlier, 4 speed, type 9 gearbox was last used.

Odds on, if you find a donor that is not a DOHC model, it'll have a type 9 gearbox.

I hope this is of some help :)

EDIT

My first donor was a 1991 1.8 CVH estate & was fitted with a type 9, 5 speed gearbox ;)

andyuk697 30th September 2009 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bonzo (Post 22218)
I have owned, serviced & repaired many Sierras ( Both Own cars & customer ones )

I have never seen a MT75 box in anything other than the 2 Litre DOHC engined Sierra.

I do know that the last hadfull of petrol Sierras had either the 2L DOHC engine or a revised 1.6 CVH engine
These changes took place in late 91

Perhaps the dates given on the Zetec inside forum refer to the dates that the earlier, 4 speed, type 9 gearbox was last used.

Odds on, if you find a donor that is not a DOHC model, it'll have a type 9 gearbox.

I hope this is of some help :)

EDIT

My first donor was a 1991 1.8 CVH estate & was fitted with a type 9, 5 speed gearbox ;)

some good news ive got a doner its a 91 k reg 1.8cvh im picking it up on sat so fingers x'd all will be good :D

Andy

HandyAndy 30th September 2009 09:33 PM

nice one Andy,
is the donor a runner? taxed? tested?

my donor was also the 1.8cvh.

good luck with it.

andy (handy)
ps .... there are too many Andy,s about this forum :D

andyuk697 30th September 2009 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandyAndy (Post 22527)
nice one Andy,
is the donor a runner? taxed? tested?

my donor was also the 1.8cvh.

good luck with it.

andy (handy)
ps .... there are too many Andy,s about this forum :D

hi andy yeh its a runner its just out of tax and test tho so wont be able to give it much of a test drive

just finished the main part of the chassis i will be starting the rear next need another lenth of 25x25 tho and some round tube which i didnt order

Andy

HandyAndy 30th September 2009 10:14 PM

chassis almost done, donor on its way :cool:
you,ll have your chassis rolling in no time;)

if you are having a GRP rear tub you don,t need the round tube for the rear chassis frame, depends on what your plans are for bodywork tho.

good luck with the donor, a little tip..... undo the hub nuts on the rear wheels whilst the car is still on 4 wheels. ;)

cheers
andy

andyuk697 30th September 2009 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandyAndy (Post 22529)
chassis almost done, donor on its way :cool:
you,ll have your chassis rolling in no time;)

if you are having a GRP rear tub you don,t need the round tube for the rear chassis frame, depends on what your plans are for bodywork tho.

good luck with the donor, a little tip..... undo the hub nuts on the rear wheels whilst the car is still on 4 wheels. ;)

cheers
andy

hmm i havnt really thought about bodywork yet i think il go with which evers cheapest buy grp or make ally ones

thanks for the tip
i cant wait to get my hands thick with oil and graizes

Andy

HandyAndy 30th September 2009 10:49 PM

the only reason i mentioned the rear tub was that you said you intend doing the rear frame next week, so if you go grp tub you won,t need to buy the round tube,
all the best with your build & lets see some up to date photos:cool:

cheers
andy

andyuk697 1st October 2009 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandyAndy (Post 22534)
the only reason i mentioned the rear tub was that you said you intend doing the rear frame next week, so if you go grp tub you won,t need to buy the round tube,
all the best with your build & lets see some up to date photos:cool:

cheers
andy

hi check these new pics out

cheers Andy

https://vstuff.virginmedia.com/n/50-...4ab66c9633dc1/

HandyAndy 1st October 2009 08:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andyuk697 (Post 22553)
hi check these new pics out

cheers Andy

https://vstuff.virginmedia.com/n/50-...4ab66c9633dc1/

maybe its me but it won,t allow me to look at the link you,ve given :confused:
tho me & computers don,t get on too well :o :D

cheers
andy

andyuk697 1st October 2009 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandyAndy (Post 22568)
maybe its me but it won,t allow me to look at the link you,ve given :confused:
tho me & computers don,t get on too well :o :D

cheers
andy

you just click on the link then it say ive sent you pictures you click on view pictures then click on the camera to view the album select first pic the keep pressing the next arrow top right hand corner
its a virgin vstuff online thing i might upload them all to photobucket or somthing but vstuff is free and they send me 25 prints free each month which will come in handy

Andy

HandyAndy 1st October 2009 08:36 PM

nope ?? its asking me for an email address & a password:confused: :o

it must be cos it knows i haven,t the foggiest idea with computers:D its teasing me :confused:

andy

andyuk697 3rd October 2009 06:57 PM

posted a pic of my doner i picked up today inc collection cost me 250 well chuffed it drives smooth and is very very clean under neath and under the
bonnet :D

Andy

HandyAndy 3rd October 2009 07:16 PM

we,d all like to see the photo of the donor but all i see is a little red X :confused:
now the fun begins... stripping it & cleaning all the parts :eek: :D

nice one Andy, good luck with the next stage of your build, keep this pace up & you,ll be on the road sooner than me :o

cheers
andy

andyuk697 3rd October 2009 07:26 PM

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HandyAndy 3rd October 2009 07:29 PM

wow that donor looks in good condition, well done, i,m sure in a week or two it won,t look like that ;) :D

cheers
andy

andyuk697 3rd October 2009 07:34 PM

it really is clean it seems a shame to butcher it lol oh well it will be worth it im sure it will be happier with a new lease of life lol
any tips where to start stripping?

cheers Andy

ps im updating pics still with chassis ones

andyuk697 3rd October 2009 07:38 PM



HandyAndy 3rd October 2009 07:44 PM

looking good there Andy, very smart indeed :cool:
tho may i mention that you have TT12 slightly in the wrong place, its the top rail of the transmission tunnel above the clutch pedal area. ( just untack it & move it towards the passenger side to line up with TR5), hope you don,t mind me saying.


cheers
andy

andyuk697 3rd October 2009 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HandyAndy (Post 22646)
looking good there Andy, very smart indeed :cool:
tho may i mention that you have TT12 slightly in the wrong place, its the top rail of the transmission tunnel above the clutch pedal area. ( just untack it & move it towards the passenger side to line up with TR5), hope you don,t mind me saying.


cheers
andy

thanks andy
yeah i noticed that when i looked at the pic but didnt notice on the chassis lol could have sworn it was in line
cant wait to strip it down any tips where to start tho?

thanks Andy
Andy

HandyAndy 3rd October 2009 08:08 PM

:o i,ll be honest & admit i didn,t actually strip my donor, fellow forum member "Flyerncle" did it for me, long story :D
one tip that gets mentioned alot is to undo the rear hub nuts whilst the car is still on all 4 wheels on the ground, they are left & right handed threads by the way.
enjoy the strip down , i ended up more or less just mopping the floor when my donor was stripped. :D

cheers
andy

spud69 3rd October 2009 11:19 PM

Go to Tesco's and buy a large box of Quality Street for a fiver, eat all the choccies then put every nut and bolt and fastener into the tin, even if you don't think they'll be required. It will always be the one that you threw away that you need.

andyuk697 4th October 2009 09:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by spud69 (Post 22658)
Go to Tesco's and buy a large box of Quality Street for a fiver, eat all the choccies then put every nut and bolt and fastener into the tin, even if you don't think they'll be required. It will always be the one that you threw away that you need.

best suggestion ever only thing is though i dont think one tin will be big enough i best get 2 to be sure :D

Andy


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