Ignition relay

[AshG]

two forms of immob are your ignition key and steering lock thats all you need. forget what the haynes book says its pants. just do it like it shows in the diagram sent you and everything will work as it should.

Where do you store the baton though?...always bothered me that has

[DaddyA]

Originally Posted by twinturbo

Right when you say you turn the key and nothing happens what so you mean?

The ignition relay is for the IGNITION fed systems and not for the starter.

TT

I have sorted it now (hopefully), looking at Geemans post on wiring I think we are on the same subject.

It may well be part of the immobiliser? Tried removing most of it (again hopefully). May find more stuff to make my day.

If I short where the relay was, the engine turns when i turn the key as it should. So i'll fit a kill switch (HandyA) or just short it permanently???

Cheers for the feedback though.

[geeman]

Originally Posted by DaddyA

I have sorted it now (hopefully), looking at Geemans post on wiring I think we are on the same subject.

It may well be part of the immobiliser? Tried removing most of it (again hopefully). May find more stuff to make my day.

If I short where the relay was, the engine turns when i turn the key as it should. So i'll fit a kill switch (HandyA) or just short it permanently???

Cheers for the feedback though.

yep were at the same stage, but i have shorted out the relay so the starter solenoid is going directly to the ignition lead, and the way i see it, although i am probably wrong, is that the when the 12v live feed on the ignition (black yellow) is grounded the engine is switched off? at least that's what i think. ill give it a go today to see if i can get it started at last, but both my batteries are flat

[twinturbo]

Black and Yellow should not be grounded.

RED feed the ignition switch from the battery fused link.

Black + yellow ( position 2 - engine run) Feeds some fuses and the ingnition relay. This is designated circuit 15-x ( x being sub-circuit numbers )

Don't confuse ignition with starting they are two seperate circuits

Starting is circuit 50-x Which is black and Blue from the ignition switch to the inhibit/anti-theft relay and then black and blue to solder joint S-1039 which acording to the data is near the rear WashWipe motor loom where it becomes black and red untill the starter motor.

TT

[geeman]

Originally Posted by twinturbo

Black and Yellow should not be grounded.

RED feed the ignition switch from the battery fused link.

Black + yellow ( position 2 - engine run) Feeds some fuses and the ingnition relay. This is designated circuit 15-x ( x being sub-circuit numbers )

Don't confuse ignition with starting they are two seperate circuits

Starting is circuit 50-x Which is black and Blue from the ignition switch to the inhibit/anti-theft relay and then black and blue to solder joint S-1039 which acording to the data is near the rear WashWipe motor loom where it becomes black and red untill the starter motor.

TT

how do you kill the engine then? i thought you just remove +v from black yellow, thats what it looked like to me?

also when you switch the key off, what happens to black/yellow then?

[twinturbo]

When you switch the ignition switch off the +12V supply on the Black and Yellow is switched off but it's not grounded.

TT

[geeman]

Originally Posted by twinturbo

When you switch the ignition switch off the +12V supply on the Black and Yellow is switched off but it's not grounded.

TT

ok, goood, thats what ive done. Now, its rturning over fully but not starting, the black/yellow is correct as when i put it on, theres 12v at pin 10 of the hybrid ignition module. ALso, in the auto trans relay did you say to short pins 86 and 87, as ive also shorted it to pin 30 on the relay to connect it to the starter solenoid?

[twinturbo]

One Caviat..

On some of the injection engines, like the 2.9. A circuit ( 50-7 on the 2.9 ) is fed from the starter circuit during crank. In that case it goes to the TFi module and alters the timing advance to make the eninge start easier.

But on the 1.8 Carbed CVH it's not present.

TT

[geeman]

Originally Posted by twinturbo

One Caviat..

On some of the injection engines, like the 2.9. A circuit ( 50-7 on the 2.9 ) is fed from the starter circuit during crank. In that case it goes to the TFi module and alters the timing advance to make the eninge start easier.

But on the 1.8 Carbed CVH it's not present.

TT

hmmm.. ok, i also remembered yesterday you mentionted the 4,6, and 8 pin pulgs, i have nowhere to connect the 8 pin one to?